Is My Calculus of Variations Approach Correct?

In summary, "Is My Calculus of Variations Approach Correct?" examines the principles and methods used in calculus of variations to determine the accuracy of a given approach. It discusses the foundational concepts, common pitfalls, and verification techniques essential for ensuring that a variational problem is correctly formulated and solved. The author emphasizes the importance of rigorous mathematical reasoning and provides examples to illustrate potential errors and their resolutions, ultimately guiding readers towards more reliable applications of the calculus of variations.
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I would like to use the Calculus of Variations to show the minimum path connecting two points is a straight line, but I wish to do it from scratch without using the pre-packaged general result, because I'm having some trouble following it.

Points are ##(x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2)##.

And we are to minimize this integral, whre ##y(x)## is the minimum path:

$$ \int_{x_1}^{x_2} ds = \int_{x_1}^{x_2} \sqrt{ 1 + y'(x)^2} dx $$

Then you make a new curve:

$$ Y(x) = y(x) + \beta \eta (x) $$

Differentiate ##Y(x)##:

$$ Y'(x) = y'(x) + \beta \eta '(x) $$

Sub into the integral and expand (dropping the function notation):

$$ I = \int_{x_1}^{x_2} \sqrt{ 1 + Y'(x)^2} dx = \int_{x_1}^{x_2} \sqrt{ 1 + y'^2 + 2 \beta y' \eta '+ \beta^2 \eta ' ^2 } dx $$

This you are supposed to take the derivative w.r.t. ##\beta##

$$ \frac{dI}{d \beta} = \int_{x_1}^{x_2} \frac{d}{d \beta}\left( \sqrt{ 1 + y'^2 + 2 \beta y' \eta '+ \beta^2 \eta ' ^2 } \right) dx $$

Am I doing this correctly to this point?
 
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Do not forget that ##\eta(x_1)=\eta(x_2)=0##.
It seems that deducing the Lagrange equations in general form takes less writing than this masochism
 
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wrobel said:
Do not forget that ##\eta(x_1)=\eta(x_2)=0##.
It seems that deducing the Lagrange equations in general form takes less writing than this masochism
Agreed, and that's probably why I don't find example worked this way. But Im trying to get to the bottom of something.

My problem is that In Classical Mechanics by Taylor there is a point in the derivation of the Euler-Lagrange Equation that he says:

$$ \frac{\partial f ( y+\alpha \eta, y' + \alpha \eta ', x) }{\partial \alpha} = \eta \frac{\partial f }{ \partial y} + \eta ' \frac{\partial f }{ \partial y'} $$

I can't figure it out! ##y## doesn't depend on ##\alpha##?
 
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y does not depend on ##\alpha## yes
 
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wrobel said:
y does not depend on ##\alpha## yes
Then that result is a mistake with notation?
 
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what "that"?
y is the fixed trajectory and ##y+\alpha \eta## its perturbation
 
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wrobel said:
what "that"?
post 3 is taken from Taylor.
 
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I do not see a problem with the formula from #3
 
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wrobel said:
I do not see a problem with the formula from #3
we are to be differentiating ##f## with respect to ##\alpha##. ##y## does not depend on ##\alpha##.
 
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erobz said:
we are to be differentiating f with respect to α. y does not depend on α.
exactly!
 
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wrobel said:
exactly!
Then #3 cannot be correct...
 
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erobz said:
we are to be differentiating ##f## with respect to ##\alpha##. ##y## does not depend on ##\alpha##.

In this case, [itex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}[/itex] means differentiation of [itex]f[/itex] with respect to its first argument, and [itex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial y'}[/itex] means differentiation of [itex]f[/itex] with respect to its second argument, in both cases with the other argument held constant.

You are differentiating not [itex]f[/itex], but the composite function [tex]g(y,y',\alpha) = f(y + \alpha \eta, y' + \alpha \eta')[/tex] with respect to [itex]\alpha[/itex]; by the chain rule this is then [tex]\frac{\partial g}{\partial \alpha} =
\frac{\partial f}{\partial y} \frac{\partial (y + \alpha \eta)}{\partial \alpha} + \frac{\partial f}{\partial y'} \frac{\partial (y' + \alpha \eta')}{\partial \alpha}.[/tex]
 
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pasmith said:
In this case, [itex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}[/itex] means differentiation of [itex]f[/itex] with respect to its first argument, and [itex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial y'}[/itex] means differentiation of [itex]f[/itex] with respect to its second argument, in both cases with the other argument held constant.

You are differntiating the composite function [itex]f(y + \alpha \eta, y' + \alpha \eta')[/itex] with respect to [itex]\alpha[/itex]; by the chain rule this is then [tex]
\frac{\partial f}{\partial y} \frac{\partial (y + \alpha \eta)}{\partial \alpha} + \frac{\partial f}{\partial y'} \frac{\partial (y' + \alpha \eta')}{\partial \alpha}.[/tex]
The argument being ##y + \alpha \eta ##.

So it is a typo. He defines ## Y(x) = y(x) + \alpha \eta ## earlier, and what they really meant to say is:

$$ \frac{ \partial f ( Y,Y',x) }{\partial \alpha} = \eta \frac{\partial f }{ \partial Y} + \eta ' \frac{\partial f }{ \partial Y'}$$

?
 

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