Finding eigenstates and eigenvalues of hamiltonian

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The discussion revolves around finding the eigenstates and eigenvalues of a Hamiltonian operator defined in terms of eigenstates of a Hermitian operator. The original poster expresses confusion regarding their approach to the problem, particularly in constructing the Hamiltonian matrix and determining the eigenvalues and corresponding states.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to construct the Hamiltonian matrix and use it to find eigenvalues, questioning whether they can factor out a real number from the Hamiltonian. They also explore the implications of the state being in |a'> at t=0 and how to express this in terms of the Hamiltonian's eigenstates.

Discussion Status

Some participants affirm the original poster's direction, while others suggest reconsidering the representation of the initial state in terms of the Hamiltonian's eigenstates. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express the state correctly and calculate probabilities based on the eigenstates.

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Participants discuss the implications of the original Hamiltonian's structure and the need to express states in terms of the eigenstates of the Hamiltonian for accurate calculations. There is a focus on ensuring normalization and proper representation of states in the Schrödinger picture.

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Hey there, the question I'm working on is written below:-

Let |a'> and |a''> be eigenstates of a Hermitian operator A with eigenvalues a' and a'' respectively. (a'≠a'') The Hamiltonian operator is given by:

H = |a'>∂<a''| + |a''>∂<a'|

where ∂ is just a real number.

Write down the eigenstates of the hamiltonian. what are their energy eigenvalues?

Was feeling a bit confused by the question at first, and was just wondering if someone could let me know if my thoughts so far are on the right track?

Essentially, I just wrote the eigenstates as the kets: |E_{a&#039;}> and |E_{a&#039;&#039;}>. In order to find the eigenvalues of the energy, I constructed the matrix:

H = <br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; ∂\\<br /> ∂ &amp; 0<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />so that I could use the general det(H - λI) = 0 to find the eigenvalues. is this reasoning vaguely in the correct direction?

Also, was just wondering, if in the original hamiltonian equation, I'm allowed to take the ∂ symbol out (written below) because it is just a real number?

H = ∂(|a'><a''| + |a''><a'|)
 
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Yes to both, you are headed in the right direction
 
thanks for that. i have actually continued on with this problem, and I've come across another question.

i found the eigenvalues to be ±∂. the problem then asks

b) suppose the system is known to be in state |a'> at t=0. write down the Schrödinger picture for t>0.

Which my working out is:|α, t_{0}=0> = |a'>

|α, t_{0}=0; t> = U(t,t_{0})|a'>
=U(t,0)|a'>
=exp( (-iE_{a&#039;}t) / h-bar )|a'>
=exp( -i∂t / h-bar )|a'>

question c)
what is the probability for finding the system in state |a''> for t>0, if the system is known to be in state |a'> at t=0?

for this, i was thinking that for |a''>= U(t,t_{0})|a'> = =exp( -i∂t / h-bar )|a'>

and for the probability, i need to calculate |<a''|a'>|^{2} = |(exp( -i∂t / h-bar ) <a'| )(|a'>)|^{2}, where <a'|a'> = 1

am i allowed to do this? I'm probably ignoring something important...
 
beans73 said:
thanks for that. i have actually continued on with this problem, and I've come across another question.

i found the eigenvalues to be ±∂. the problem then asks

b) suppose the system is known to be in state |a'> at t=0. write down the Schrödinger picture for t>0.

Which my working out is:|α, t_{0}=0> = |a'>

|α, t_{0}=0; t> = U(t,t_{0})|a'>
=U(t,0)|a'>
=exp( (-iE_{a&#039;}t) / h-bar )|a'>
=exp( -i∂t / h-bar )|a'>
The state ##\lvert a'\rangle## isn't an eigenstate of the Hamiltonian, so it's not correct to say it has an energy ##E_{a'}##. You need to express ##\lvert a'\rangle## in terms of the eigenstates of H.
 
oh ok then. would this be the right plan of action then?

using the eigenvectors i found for the hamiltonian|E_{1}> = (1,1) and |E_{2}> = (1,-1). i then constructed:

||E_{1}> = |a'> + |a''> and
|E_{2}> = |a'> - |a''> ( i have left out the normalization constant here)

then i can have |a'> and |a''> written in terms of the eigenstates of H. back in the Schrödinger picture, can i then substitute |a'> for |E_{1}>+|E_{2}>, and then use E_{1} & E_{1} in the exponential? ==>

|α, t_{0}=0; t> = U(t,t_{0})|a'>
=U(t,0)|a'>
=exp((-iE_{a}′t) / h-bar)|a'>
=(exp(-i∂t/h-bar)||E_{1}> + exp(i∂t/h-bar)||E_{2}>

then sub |a'> and |a''> back into this equation?
 
Yes, that's exactly what you want to do.
 
yay! thanks for your help :)
 

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