Finding Eigenvalues for a Matrix A

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The discussion revolves around finding the eigenvalues of a given matrix A, specifically A = [3,1,1; 0,5,0; -2,0,1]. Participants are analyzing the characteristic polynomial derived from the matrix and exploring the implications of its roots.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the characteristic polynomial, with one member noting the polynomial's form and roots. Others question the setup and notation used for the matrix, while some suggest methods for finding the roots and factoring the polynomial.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations of the characteristic polynomial being explored. Some participants confirm the eigenvalues found, while others suggest alternative methods for approaching the problem. There is no explicit consensus on the final solution, but guidance on polynomial factorization and determinant expansion has been provided.

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There is a correction regarding the matrix's last row, which affects the characteristic equation. Participants are also navigating the conventions of matrix notation, which has led to some confusion in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Find the eigenvalues of A, when A =[3,1,1; 0,5,0; -2,0,1]


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I took the det(A-[itex]\lambda[/itex]I)=0 and found the characteristic polynomial to be:

-[itex]\lambda[/itex][itex]^{3}[/itex]+15[itex]\lambda[/itex][itex]^{2}[/itex]-73[itex]\lambda[/itex]+115

I couldn't figure out whole roots to the equation and wolframalpha gave me
[itex]\lambda[/itex]=5, 5-√2, 5+√2

Does this seem like the right answer? I have checked and double checked the determinant. Would I still be able to find a basis for the eigenspace?
 
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For matrix:
$$A= \begin{bmatrix}3 & 1 & 1 \\ 0 & 5 & 0 \\ -2 & 0 & 1\end{bmatrix}$$
Here is the characteristic equation that i get:
##-λ^3+9λ^2-25λ+25=0##
 
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Because the second column is [0, 5, 0], the polynomial should look like (5 - x)Q(x), where Q(x) is a second-degree polynomial. So it should be very easy to get its roots. Do it.
 
sharks said:
For matrix:
$$A= \begin{bmatrix}3 & 1 & 1 \\ 0 & 5 & 0 \\ -2 & 0 & 1\end{bmatrix}$$
Here is the characteristic equation that i get:
##-λ^3+9λ^2-25λ+25=0##

Sorry the matrix was $$A= \begin{bmatrix}3 & 1 & 1 \\ 0 & 5 & 0 \\ -2 & 0 & 7\end{bmatrix}$$
not 2,0,1 in the last row. That was my mistake.
 
Yes, those are the eigenvalues.
 
voko said:
Because the second column is [0, 5, 0], the polynomial should look like (5 - x)Q(x), where Q(x) is a second-degree polynomial. So it should be very easy to get its roots. Do it.
The second row is [0, 5, 0].
 
Mark44 said:
The second row is [0, 5, 0].

This is not clear from the original notation. Anyway, that does not matter for determinants so my argument holds.
 
Expand the determinant along the second row.
 
voko said:
This is not clear from the original notation.

Well, the original notation used is actually very common and can be recognized as a standard, since it is also used in popular software like MATLAB.
 
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sharks said:
Well, the original notation used is actually very common and can be recognized as a standard, since it is also used in popular software like MATLAB.

Let's put it this way: not clear for me, I always seem to forget the conventions for rows vs columns in a linear transcription. This may stem from the fact that even when working with paper and pencil, I am about equally likely to write down a matrix column after column and row after row. Let's hope this thread will leave a dent in my state of confusion :)
 
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Lord_Sidious said:
Sorry the matrix was $$A= \begin{bmatrix}3 & 1 & 1 \\ 0 & 5 & 0 \\ -2 & 0 & 7\end{bmatrix}$$
not 2,0,1 in the last row. That was my mistake.

Your characteristic equation from post #1 is correct. Now, you just need to solve it. Usually, you would start by trial and error to find one factor of the polynomial (you already know the easy one is (λ-5)) and then do long division to obtain a quadratic in the quotient, which you would then solve using the quadratic formula.
 
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sharks said:
find one factor of the polynomial (you already know the easy one is (λ-5)) and then do long division to obtain a quadratic in the quotient

The point I made in #3 is that none of this is required. By tackling the determinant along [0, 5, 0], one gets the polynomial directly in the factored form.
 

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