Finding Exact Values of Trig Expressions w/o Calculator

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The discussion revolves around finding the exact value of the trigonometric expression sin(-pi/12) csc(25pi/12) without using a calculator. The problem involves properties of trigonometric functions and identities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the expression using properties of sine and cosecant but expresses confusion about their algebraic steps and the underlying properties. They seek clarification on their reasoning.
  • Some participants question the validity of the original poster's algebraic manipulations and suggest exploring half-angle formulas instead.
  • Others mention the use of special triangles and the sine subtraction formula as potential approaches to solving the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different perspectives on how to approach the problem. There is no explicit consensus, but suggestions for using known identities and special triangles have been offered as guidance.

Contextual Notes

One participant notes that they have not yet been taught certain formulas, indicating a potential gap in knowledge that may affect their ability to solve the problem. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the properties of trigonometric identities relevant to the problem.

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Homework Statement


Use properties of the trigonometric functions to find the exact value of each expression. Do not use a calculator

sin (-pi/12) csc (25 pi)/12


Homework Equations


sin (negative angle) = - sin (angle)
csc theta = (sin theta)^-1 = 1/(sin theta)


The Attempt at a Solution


Ok there is obviously some sort of property of trig identies I do not know so I'm struggling here...

sin(-pi/12) csc( (25 pi)/12 ) = (- sin(pi/12) )/(sin( (25 pi)/12))
know if I'm correct I just treat them as exponents correct? so I subtract them

- sin( (pi/12) - ( (25 pi)/12 )
- sin( (-24 pi)/12 )
+ sin( (24 pi)/12
sin 2 pi = 0

OK THIS IS WRONG I put this into my calculator and i get negative one. I postulated for like two hours on how to do this. I think I figuered it out but am not sure why it works can someone please explain it to me...

ok I start out here
sin(-pi/12) csc( (25 pi)/12 ) = (- sin(pi/12) )/(sin( (25 pi)/12))


then
- sin( (pi/12) - ( (25 pi)/12 )

- sin( (24 pi)/12 )

if i just ignore the negative sign next to the 24... something here is wrong with what I'm doing HELP

- sin( (24 pi)/12 )

now I take the recipical but leave the pi on top of the angle not sure why or why i leave pi on top

- sin( (12 pi)/24

simplify

- sin( pi/2

pi/2 is ninety degrees which has the coordinates (0,1) and sense sine is equal to the y cordinate I get one but sense it's the opposite i get negative 1 as my answer which is correct

So I obviously have no idea how to really do this problem if someone could tell me how to do this that would be great. There isn't really much I can do because I'm obviously don't know some property or something here.

Thanks
 
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None of your algebraic manipulations make any sense. You are just making up operations that don't exist.

Notice that Pi/12 is half of pi/6 and you know the functions for multiples of pi/6. Look at the half angle formulas instead of trying to make up your own.
 
I have yet to have been taught these formulas yet so there must be some other way to do it
 
Here are the two special triangles I've used in the past: http://fouss.pbworks.com/f/special triangle 3.JPG and http://fouss.pbworks.com/f/special triangle 2.JPG and recall that sin (a-b)=(sin a)(cos b)-(sin b)(cos a)

Now sin \frac{-pi}{12} = sin (\frac{pi}{6} - \frac{pi}{4}) = sin \frac{pi}{6} * cos \frac{pi}{4} - sin \frac{pi}{4} * cos \frac{pi}{6}

Use the special triangles (unless you have them memorized, which you should have) and solve.

Edit: Sorry I thought you were doing two different equations. I now see that sin (-pi/12) * csc (25 pi)/12 is what you want. I guess you can do the second one and after solving it, multiple both answers.
 
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