Finding f(x) Using Limit and Algebraic Manipulation

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The discussion revolves around finding the function f(x) given the limit condition lim x->1 (f(x)-8)/(x-1) = 10. Participants are exploring the implications of this limit and the behavior of f(x) near x = 1.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the correct interpretation of the limit expression and question the assumptions about the function f(x). There are attempts to manipulate the limit and explore potential forms for f(x) and g(x) that could simplify the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being explored. Some participants suggest creating a new function g(x) to facilitate the limit calculation, while others express confusion about the relationship between f(x) and the limit condition. There is no explicit consensus on the next steps or the form of f(x).

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Participants note the lack of additional information about f(x) and the constraints imposed by the limit condition. There is mention of the indeterminate form that arises as x approaches 1, which is central to the discussion.

  • #31
Whoah, I'm interested in this one too now.

If lim x->1 g(x) = c what do you mean by "what g(x) would simplify things" in the product of the 2 limits?
 
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  • #32
lendav_rott said:
Whoah, I'm interested in this one too now.

If lim x->1 g(x) = c what do you mean by "what g(x) would simplify things" in the product of the 2 limits?

You CREATE a new limit to multiply with the limit you're given. What limit would simplify things?
 
  • #33
Just create any g(x), find the limit, see if it simplifies things.

Try g(x)=cos(x). Try g(x)=x^2. Try g(x)=sqrt(x).
See what happens. Does it simplify things?
 
  • #34
Why make the problem so complicated?

The ONLY way for the limit to exist is for the ratio to tend to the indeterminate form ##\frac{0}{0}## as ##x \to 1##.

That happens when ##\lim_{x \to 1} (f(x) - 8) = 0##, or simply ##\lim_{x \to 1} f(x) = 8##.

That's all that's needed.

The RHS doesn't influence that answer at all. What it does is influence the limit of ##f'(x)## (the first derivative) as ##x \to 1##. By L' Hopital's Rule, differentiating the numerator and denominator separately gives the result ##\lim_{x \to 1} f'(x) = 10##. But this part is just for interest, and not needed for the original answer.
 
  • #35
That's another way to do it, although I'm not sure if he cover l'hospital's.I would comment that you don't know f is differentiable; but if it is differentiable, your last paragraph is cool.
 
  • #36
johnqwertyful said:
That's another way to do it, although I'm not sure if he cover l'hospital's.


I would comment that you don't know f is differentiable; but if it is differentiable, your last paragraph is cool.

There is no need to invoke L' Hopital's for the answer - that's just algebra.

I only used L' Hopital's Rule for the latter part ("for interest"), which is where the RHS would come into play. I should've stated that f(x) has to be differentiable around the neighbourhood of x = 1 for this to be valid.
 

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