Finding Fixed Points for F, B, A

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The discussion revolves around finding fixed points for a system of equations related to a weak nonlinear oscillator. Participants explore the implications of parameters within the equations and discuss methods for solving the polynomial system, including numerical approaches.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the nature of the constants \(F\) and \(c\), suggesting \(c\) must be positive as it represents damping, while \(F\) represents forcing.
  • There are suggestions to use numerical methods to solve the system of polynomial equations, with references to articles on the topic.
  • Participants discuss specific pages from referenced materials, questioning the reasoning behind neglecting certain terms in the equations.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in relating their equation to the author's findings when \(\omega = 1\), indicating a need for clarification on the relationship between \(\omega\) and \(R\).
  • There is mention of various scenarios involving the parameters \(c\) and \(F\) and their impact on the behavior of the system.
  • Concerns are raised about the relevance of a \(k_1\) term in the context of expanding \(\omega\), with one participant unsure how to proceed without it.
  • Another participant clarifies that the aim is to investigate the behavior of \(R\) for different values of \(\omega\) rather than solving the Duffing equation specifically for \(\omega = 1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the handling of specific terms in the equations and the interpretation of the results. There is no consensus on how to proceed with the analysis or the implications of the parameters involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific pages in external documents, indicating potential limitations in understanding the arguments presented. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the parameters.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for those interested in nonlinear dynamics, particularly in the context of oscillatory systems and the mathematical methods used to analyze them.

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Is there a clean may to get the fixed points for
\begin{alignat*}{9}
F - 2B' - cB - \frac{3}{4}AB^2 - \frac{3}{4}A^3 & = & 0 & \quad & \Rightarrow & \quad & B' & = & \frac{1}{2}F - \frac{c}{2}B - \frac{3}{8}AB^2 - \frac{3}{8}A^3\\
2A' + cA - \frac{3}{4}A^2B - \frac{3}{4}B^3 & = & 0 & \quad & \Rightarrow & \quad & A' & = & \frac{3}{8}A^2B + \frac{3}{8}B^3 - \frac{c}{2}A
\end{alignat*}
 
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dwsmith said:
Is there a clean may to get the fixed points for
\begin{alignat*}{9}
F - 2B' - cB - \frac{3}{4}AB^2 - \frac{3}{4}A^3 & = & 0 & \quad & \Rightarrow & \quad & B' & = & \frac{1}{2}F - \frac{c}{2}B - \frac{3}{8}AB^2 - \frac{3}{8}A^3\\
2A' + cA - \frac{3}{4}A^2B - \frac{3}{4}B^3 & = & 0 & \quad & \Rightarrow & \quad & A' & = & \frac{3}{8}A^2B + \frac{3}{8}B^3 - \frac{c}{2}A
\end{alignat*}

Does \(F\) and \(c\) stand for constants?
 
Sudharaka said:
Does \(F\) and \(c\) stand for constants?

Yes c must be positive because it is dampening. F is forcing. This comes from a weak nonlinear oscillator.
 
Sudharaka said:
Since you have a system of polynomial equations you can try to solve it using a numerical method. Here are some articles describing about numerical methods to solve polynomial systems.

1) System of polynomial equations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2) http://math.berkeley.edu/~bernd/cbms.pdf

>>Here<< is the answer that Wolfram gives. :)

On page 176, why are doing what they are doing. Neglect the k_1 term since in my problem omega was 1.

http://audiophile.tam.cornell.edu/randdocs/nlvibe52.pdf
 
Sudharaka said:
There is only 153 pages in your attached pdf.

I meant page 36
 
dwsmith said:
On page 176, why are doing what they are doing. Neglect the k_1 term since in my problem omega was 1.

http://audiophile.tam.cornell.edu/randdocs/nlvibe52.pdf

dwsmith said:
I meant page 36

The author had obtained a function between \(\omega\) and \(R\). Is there any particular thing that you don't understand there?
 
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Sudharaka said:
The author had obtained a function between \(\omega\) and \(R\) Is there any particular thing that you don't understand there?

I am trying to relate what he did for when $\omega = 1$ but I can't figure it out. The equation I started with is
$$
x'' + x + \epsilon cx' + \epsilon x^3 = \epsilon F\cos t, \quad\quad\epsilon\ll 1,
$$
 
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dwsmith said:
I am trying to relate what he did for when $\omega = 1$ but I can't figure it out. The equation I started with is
$$
x'' + x + \epsilon cx' + \epsilon x^3 = \epsilon F\cos t, \quad\quad\epsilon\ll 1,
$$

Note that equation 181 gives a relation between \(\omega\) and \(R\). He had drawn the curves for each of the following situations.

1) \(c=0\mbox{ and }F=0\)

2) \(c=0\mbox{ and }F>0\)

i) \(A=R\)

ii)\(A=-R\)

3) \(c>0\mbox{ and }F>0\)

All of these three curves have a value when, \(\omega=1\). For the first situation \(R=0\) is the value at \(\omega=0\). For second and third situations you can obtain the value of \(R\) at \(\omega=0\) using equation 181.
 
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Sudharaka said:
Note that equation 181 gives a relation between \(\omega\) and \(R\). He had drawn the curves for each of the following situations.

1) \(c=0\mbox{ and }F=0\)

2) \(c=0\mbox{ and }F>0\)

i) \(A=R\)

ii)\(A=-R\)

3) \(c>0\mbox{ and }F>0\)

All of these three curves have a value when, \(\omega=1\). For the first situation \(R=0\) is the value at \(\omega=0\). For second and third situations you can obtain the value of \(R\) at \(\omega=0\) using equation 181.

He has a $k_1$ term that comes from expanding $\omega$. Since I don't need to expand omega, I don't have a $k_1$ term. I don't see how to move on from where I am at looking at his argument. I tried making $k_1 = 0$ but he solves for $k_1$ and uses it later on.
 
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dwsmith said:
He has a $k_1$ term that comes from expanding $\omega$. Since I don't need to expand omega, I don't have a $k_1$ term. I don't see how to move on from where I am at looking at his argument. I tried making $k_1 = 0$ but he solves for $k_1$ and uses it later on.

The idea in that section is to investigate the behavior of \(R\) for various values of \(\omega\), but not to solve the duffing equation for \(\omega=1\). What is your aim, to obtain a solution to the Duffing equation?
 
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Sudharaka said:
The idea in that section is to investigate the behavior of \(R\) for various values of \(\omega\), but not to solve the duffing equation for \(\omega=1\). What is your aim, to obtain a solution to the Duffing equation?

I am trying to determine the large-time solution dynamics
 

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