Finding General Solution to ODE w/A(x) & y(x)

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The problem involves finding the general solution to a second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) of the form ##A(x)y''+A'(x)y'+\frac{y}{A(x)}=0##, where A(x) is a known function and y(x) is the unknown function. Participants are exploring various substitutions and transformations to simplify the equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the possibility of eliminating the first derivative term through substitutions, such as trying different forms for y, including z=y'A and z=Ay. There is also a suggestion to use a substitution of the form y=Bz, prompting questions about the choice of B to eliminate the z' term.

Discussion Status

There is active exploration of different substitution strategies, with participants sharing their results and questioning each other's findings. Some participants have reached similar forms for B, while others express uncertainty about their calculations. The discussion remains open, with no clear consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential mistakes in their calculations and the complexity of the resulting equations. There is an emphasis on finding a suitable form for B that simplifies the problem, but the exact implications of these choices are still being debated.

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Homework Statement


Find the general solution to ##A(x)y''+A'(x)y'+\frac{y}{A(x)}=0## where A(x) is a known function and y(x) is the unknown one.
Hint:Eliminate the term that contains the first derivative.


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Not sure.


The Attempt at a Solution


So I don't really know how to tackle it. I guess that the hint suggests a change of variable that would get rid of the y' term. So I tried z=y'A, z=Ay and z=y/A. All failed to express the ODE as a function of z and its derivative(s) and A and its derivative(s).
I am therefore stuck. Any other hint will be welcome!
 
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What if you try the following substition [itex]y=Bz[/itex], where B is a known function that is yet to be decided.

What do you get if you perform this substitution?

What should we take for B if we want the z' term to vanish?
 
micromass said:
What if you try the following substition [itex]y=Bz[/itex], where B is a known function that is yet to be decided.

What do you get if you perform this substitution?
Good idea! ##x''A'B'+z'(AB+AB'+A'B)+z (A'B'+B/A)=0##.

What should we take for B if we want the z' term to vanish?
##B=Ce^{-x}/A##. I checked out and indeed the terms in front of ##z'## vanishes.
I'm left to solve ##z''A'Ce^{-x} \left ( \frac{1}{A}+ \frac{A'}{A^2} \right ) + z \left ( \frac{A'}{A} + \frac{A'^2}{A^2}- \frac{Ce^{-x}}{A^2} \right ) =0##. That really does not look beautiful/easy to me. :eek:
 
fluidistic said:
Good idea! ##x''A'B'+z'(AB+AB'+A'B)+z (A'B'+B/A)=0##.

I get something different here. I get that the term of z' is
[tex]A^\prime B + 2A B^\prime[/tex]

The form of my B is also much simpler.
 
micromass said:
I get something different here. I get that the term of z' is
[tex]A^\prime B + 2A B^\prime[/tex]

The form of my B is also much simpler.
I see, I made a mistake; I don't know why I make so many of them. I reach the same as yours, so ##B=kA^{-1/2}## where k is a constant.

Edit: I might have rushed through the math but I reach that ##z''+z \left ( 1-\frac{2}{A'} \right ) =0##. Which has different solutions depending on the sign of the term in front of z. I guess I made another mistakes.
 
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fluidistic said:
I see, I made a mistake; I don't know why I make so many of them. I reach the same as yours, so ##B=kA^{-1/2}## where k is a constant.

OK, I get the same B. But there is no real need of the constant. You just need to find one single B that makes z' disappear, so you can take k=1.

Anyway, with that choice of B, what does your equation become then?
 
micromass said:
OK, I get the same B. But there is no real need of the constant. You just need to find one single B that makes z' disappear, so you can take k=1.

Anyway, with that choice of B, what does your equation become then?
I now get ##B'=-\frac{1}{2}A^{-3/2}##, ##B''=\frac{3}{4}A^{-5/2}A'^2-\frac{A^{-3/2}A''}{2}##.
The equation becomes ##z''AB+z(AB''+A'B'+B/A)=0##. Now I have to replace the B and its derivatives in that.
Edit: I've just done it and it's not beautiful so far.
 

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