Finding Killing Vectors for $$ds^2 = dr^2 + r^2d\theta^2$$

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The discussion revolves around finding Killing vectors for the metric $$ds^2 = dr^2 + r^2d\theta^2$$, which represents the Euclidean metric of ##\mathbb{R}^2## in polar coordinates. Participants explore the properties and correctness of the identified Killing vectors, as well as the implications of their independence and linear combinations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents three proposed Killing vectors and seeks confirmation of their correctness.
  • Another participant suggests checking whether the proposed vectors satisfy the Killing equations.
  • A participant confirms that the proposed vectors do satisfy the Killing equations, implying they are Killing vector fields.
  • Concerns are raised about the number of independent Killing vectors in 2D, suggesting that one of the three vectors should be expressible as a linear combination of the others.
  • Clarification is offered that the entities discussed are vector fields, not vectors, prompting further inquiry into the distinction.
  • Participants discuss the nature of vector fields and provide examples of how vector fields assign vectors at each point in space.
  • A later participant questions the independence of the three vector fields and whether they are linearly dependent when evaluated at a specific point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the independence of the Killing vectors, with some asserting that there should only be two independent vectors in 2D, while others discuss the nature of vector fields and their assignments without reaching a consensus on the independence of the proposed vectors.

Contextual Notes

There is an unresolved discussion regarding the linear independence of the Killing vectors and the implications of their representation as vector fields. The distinction between vectors and vector fields is also a point of contention.

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I have tried to find the three Killing vectors for the metric $$ds^2 = dr^2 + r^2d \theta^2$$ that is, the Euclidean metric of ##\mathbb{R}^2## written in polar coordinates. I found these to be

$$\bigg(\text{first}\bigg) \ \ \xi_r = \text{Cos} \theta \\
\xi_\theta = -\text{rSin} \theta \\

\bigg(\text{second}\bigg) \ \ \xi_r = \text{Sin} \theta \\
{\xi_\theta = \text{rCos} \theta} \\

\bigg(\text{third}\bigg) \ \ \xi_r = 0 \\
\xi_\theta = \text{r²}$$ As I have found solutions only for 3d on web, I would like to know whether these are correct or not.
 
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Why don't you check whether or not they satisfy the Killing equations?
 
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Orodruin said:
Why don't you check whether or not they satisfy the Killing equations?
I did
And they do satisfy the Killing equation.
 
davidge said:
I did
And they do satisfy the Killing equation.
And thus they are Killing vector fields ...
 
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Orodruin said:
And thus they are Killing vector fields ...
:biggrin:
 
What bothers me is that in 2d we should have only two independent vectors. So I should be able to get one of those three above by a linear combination of the other two, but when I do that, I get non constant coefficients multiplying them.
 
These are vector fields, not vectors.
 
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Orodruin said:
These are vector fields, not vectors.
So they are'nt vectors? Can you say a bit more on this please
 
There is no such thing as a "Killing vector". The Killing equation is a differential equation and as such describes vector fields, ie, assignments of one vector to each point in the space.
 
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Orodruin said:
assignments of one vector to each point in the space
For instance, what could be such one vector?
 
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You wrote down several vector fields (in coordinate basis) in the firs post.
 
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Orodruin said:
You wrote down several vector fields (in coordinate basis) in the firs post.
But you say they aren't vectors. I asked for an example of assigment of a vector by a vector field
 
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Your field is an assignment of a (dual) vector to every point in space!

For example, for ##\theta = 0## (and arbitrary r) your first field takes the value ##\xi = dr##, where ##dr## is the coordinate basis dual vector.
 
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Orodruin said:
Your field is an assignment of a (dual) vector to every point in space!

For example, for ##\theta = 0## (and arbitrary r) your first field takes the value ##\xi = dr##, where ##dr## is the coordinate basis dual vector.
I got it. Thanks.
 
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Is it correct to say that they are three independent vector fields? In the sense that one cannot be expressed as a multiple of another one.

Also, if we evaluate any of them at a particular point ##(r, \theta)## do they form three linearly dependent vectors?
 

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