Finding Local Extrema and Critical Points for f(x,y)=ysin(x)

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The discussion focuses on finding and classifying local extrema and critical points for the function f(x,y) = ysin(x). Participants clarify that the critical points occur when both partial derivatives, fx = ycos(x) and fy = sin(x), equal zero. The critical points are determined to be (nπ, 0) for all integers n, indicating that y must be zero at these points. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the relationship between the sine and cosine functions in identifying these critical points.

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Find and classify all local minima, local maxima and saddle points for the function
f(x,y)=ysin(x)

i can do this question however i am having problem with finding the x and y intercepts i get

fx= ycos(x) and fy=sin(x)
0=ycos(x) and 0=sin(x)

i start to have problem now after someone can tell me how to find the intercepts i should be fine with the rest of the question thanks.
 
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oceansoft said:
Find and classify all local minima, local maxima and saddle points for the function
f(x,y)=ysin(x)

i can do this question however i am having problem with finding the x and y intercepts i get

fx= ycos(x) and fy=sin(x)
0=ycos(x) and 0=sin(x)

i start to have problem now after someone can tell me how to find the intercepts i should be fine with the rest of the question thanks.

I guess you mean you are having trouble finding the critical points, not the intercepts.

You need to find (x,y) that make both ycos(x) and sin(x) = 0. What x make sin(x) = 0? Do any of them make cos(x) = 0? If you use the x's that make sin(x) = 0 is there any way to make ycos(x) = 0? What (x,y) work in both equations?
 
LCKurtz said:
I guess you mean you are having trouble finding the critical points, not the intercepts.

You need to find (x,y) that make both ycos(x) and sin(x) = 0. What x make sin(x) = 0? Do any of them make cos(x) = 0? If you use the x's that make sin(x) = 0 is there any way to make ycos(x) = 0? What (x,y) work in both equations?

So u mean like x= 0, pi, 2pi and so on

and then subing those x's into 0=ycos and then solving for y? but if i do it will go on forever beause it says to find all critical points
 
oceansoft said:
So u mean like x= 0, pi, 2pi and so on

and then subing those x's into 0=ycos and then solving for y? but if i do it will go on forever beause it says to find all critical points

Just say that x=\pi n \forall n \epsilon Z
 
oceansoft said:
Find and classify all local minima, local maxima and saddle points for the function
f(x,y)=ysin(x)

i can do this question however i am having problem with finding the x and y intercepts i get

fx= ycos(x) and fy=sin(x)
0=ycos(x) and 0=sin(x)

i start to have problem now after someone can tell me how to find the intercepts i should be fine with the rest of the question thanks.

LCKurtz said:
I guess you mean you are having trouble finding the critical points, not the intercepts.

You need to find (x,y) that make both ycos(x) and sin(x) = 0. What x make sin(x) = 0? Do any of them make cos(x) = 0? If you use the x's that make sin(x) = 0 is there any way to make ycos(x) = 0? What (x,y) work in both equations?

oceansoft said:
So u mean like x= 0, pi, 2pi and so on

and then subing those x's into 0=ycos and then solving for y? but if i do it will go on forever beause it says to find all critical points

Yes, x = n pi make sin(x) = 0. Now answer the next questions I asked:

Do any of them make cos(x) = 0?

If you use the x's that make sin(x) = 0 is there any way to make ycos(x) = 0?

What (x,y) work in both equations?

And, yes, there is nothing wrong with having infinitely many critical points.
 
LCKurtz said:
Yes, x = n pi make sin(x) = 0. Now answer the next questions I asked:

Do any of them make cos(x) = 0?

If you use the x's that make sin(x) = 0 is there any way to make ycos(x) = 0?

What (x,y) work in both equations?

And, yes, there is nothing wrong with having infinitely many critical points.

Am not too sure what u are asking but if i sub any of the x's i found using sin(x)=0 into cos(x)=0 i will just get 1 or -1 does that mean that y is always equal to zero?

therefore x= n pi and y=0
btw thanks for ur time
 
oceansoft said:
Am not too sure what u are asking but if i sub any of the x's i found using sin(x)=0 into cos(x)=0 i will just get 1 or -1 does that mean that y is always equal to zero?

therefore x= n pi and y=0
btw thanks for ur time

Yes, that's exactly it. So your critical points are (n pi, 0).
 

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