Finding mass from moment of inertia graph - inconsistency?

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The discussion revolves around determining the mass of a disk based on its moment of inertia as a function of the distance from its center. The original poster presents a graph with specific values for the moment of inertia at two radial distances and applies the parallel axis theorem to derive the mass. However, inconsistencies arise when recalculating the moment of inertia using the derived mass.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of the parallel axis theorem and question the assumptions about the disk's mass distribution. The original poster attempts to reconcile the derived mass with the moment of inertia equations but encounters discrepancies.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights regarding the assumptions made about the disk's uniformity and mass density. There is recognition of potential issues with the problem's wording and the implications of the disk's dimensions, leading to a productive examination of the assumptions involved.

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There is a discussion about the radius of the disk and the implications of the problem statement, with some participants noting that the disk may not be uniform, which could affect the calculations. The original poster acknowledges an assumption that may have led to confusion.

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Homework Statement


I have a disk that can rotate about an axis at a radial distance h from the center of the disk. I am given a graph showing the the rotational inertia I of the disk as a function of the distance h from the center of the disk out to the edge of the disk. From the graph (see attached picture) I can see that the ends of the graph are as follows: when h is zero (i.e. the axis is right on the center of the disk) I = 0.03 kg*m^2 and when h = 0.2m, I = 0.63 kg*m^2.

I am asked to determine the mass of the disk from these data.

Homework Equations



##I_p = I_{cm} + Md^2## (parallel axis theorem)
##I_{disk} = 1/2Mr^2## (the moment of inertia of a disk about its CM)

The Attempt at a Solution



Let point A be when h = 0, i.e. the axis is right on the CM. Let point B be when h = 0.2, i.e. on the edge of the disk. Applying the parallel axis theorem to both locations and given the values from the problem:

##I_B = I_{disk} + M(0.2)^2 = 0.63##
##I_A = I_{disk} + M(0)^2 = 0.03##

Subtracting the second equation from the first gives

##I_B - I_A = 0.63 - 0.03 = 0.60 = M[(0.2)^2 - 0^2]##

and so M = 15kg, which is the correct answer. But if I actually try to use this to recalculate the moment of inertia of the disk I get

##I_{disk} = 1/2Mr^2 = 1/2(15)(0.2^2) = 0.3 \not= I_A = 0.03##

and similarly I get the "wrong" answer for I_B using the parallel axis theorem. Is the problem just written poorly, or am I missing something really obvious here?

Thanks for any help... first time using Tex... hope I did okay.
 

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Hello, and welcome to PF!

You're thinking correctly. Note that the problem does not state that the disk is of uniform mass density. So, it might be a disk where Icm is not given by (1/2)Mr2.
 
Oh, of course! I was completely on autopilot and made that assumption without thinking.

Thanks so much!
 
The problem was poorly written ... the disk's radius is only .067m, but they can spin it around an axis that's 3x that far from the center!
(expensive massless washer way bigger than the real disk?) . They should re-program the range of I_A values.
 
I'm admittedly not sure where you are getting 0.067 m from. The problem statement implies that the edge of the disk from the center and thus the radius is 0.2 m.
 
oops, 0.0632 m ... from I_disk = 0.03 kgm^2 and mass 15kg.
 
Right, but as TSny pointed out it's probably not reasonable here to assume the disk is uniform.
 
they called it a disk ... they're supposed to guide your model, not mis-guide it.
even a sphere would need radius less than about .1m !
 
While I don't disagree, at the end of the day the bottom line is I made an assumption I shouldn't have, and that's what caused my problem on this problem, and I'll be more careful about my assumptions in the future.
 

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