Finding mass with dirac delta function

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The problem involves calculating the mass of an object with a given distribution of matter in cylindrical coordinates, utilizing Dirac delta functions. The original poster attempts to expand the delta functions to facilitate integration, specifically addressing the complexities of the second delta function and the integration process.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss methods for expanding delta functions and question the approach to integrating them. The original poster expresses uncertainty about handling the second delta function and the implications of using Mathematica for calculations. Others suggest finding zeros and calculating derivatives for the second delta function, while also confirming the correctness of the third delta function expansion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the integration process and the behavior of delta functions in cylindrical coordinates. Some guidance has been provided regarding the treatment of the delta functions and the integration limits, but no consensus has been reached on the overall approach.

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There is mention of constraints related to the use of Mathematica for calculations, and participants are navigating the complexities of integrating delta functions in a context that may differ from their previous experiences with simpler integrals.

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Homework Statement



Distribution of matter is given in cylindrical coordinates:

[tex]\rho(\vec{r})=\frac{1}{\rho}\delta(\rho^2-10\rho+9)\delta\left(\frac{z^2-a^2}{z^2+a^2}\right)\delta(\cot(\phi))[/tex]

where [tex]a>0[/tex] is a constant. Find the complete mass of the object.


Homework Equations



The mass of the object is given as:

[tex]M=\int_{\partial V}\rho(\vec{r})dV[/tex]

So in order to calculate the integral I need to expand the deltas with this formula:

[tex]\delta(f(x))=\sum_{i=1}^n\frac{\delta(x-x_i)}{|f'(x_i)|}[/tex], where [tex]|f'(x_i)|[/tex] is the derivative of the function evaluated at the zeroes of the function [tex]x_i[/tex].

Integral in cylindrical coordinate system is:

[tex]\int_0^\infty\rho d\rho\int_0^{2\pi} d\phi\int_{-\infty}^\infty dz[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I have expanded the first delta:

[tex]\delta(\rho^2-10\rho+9)=\frac{\delta(\rho-1)}{8}+\frac{\delta(\rho-9)}{8}[/tex].

I'm having problem with the second one. Do I 'brake' it with partial fractions?

Third one (which I'm not sure I got it right):

[tex]\delta(\cot(\phi))=\sum_{m=-\infty}^\infty\delta\left(\phi-\left(m+\frac{1}{2}\right)\pi\right)[/tex]

So my problem is: how do I solve the second delta and I'm not quite sure I got the third one right. How should I integrate it?
 
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I see no problem in the second delta. Just find the zeros and calculate the derivatives.
Your answer for the third delta seems to be right.
 
So the second one is:
[tex]a\left[\delta(z-a)+\delta(z+a)\right][/tex]?

But how do I calculate the integral? With [tex]\phi[/tex] part? When I put it into Mathematica I get different answers:
For putting sum in front of the integral:
[tex]\frac{1}{2}\theta(3 - 2 m, \pi + 2 m \pi)[/tex]
And for putting integral in front of the sum I have [tex]\frac{7}{\pi}[/tex], which is weird because shouldn't I get the same results no matter which goes first?

But that's on the side note, on my exam I won't have Mathematica :D, so how to calculate that?
 
The integral of delta function is:

[tex] \int_a^b f(x) \delta(x-c)\,dx = \begin{cases}<br /> f(c), & a < c < b; \\<br /> f(c)/2, & c = a \;\text{or}\; c = b; \\<br /> 0, & \text{otherwise}.<br /> \end{cases}[/tex]

I think it's not a problem to calculate it without Mathematica.

In cylindrical coordinates

[tex] 0 \leq \phi < 2\pi.[/tex]

You should keep only two terms of the infinite sum.
 
Maxim Zh said:
The integral of delta function is:

[tex] \int_a^b f(x) \delta(x-c)\,dx = \begin{cases}<br /> f(c), & a < c < b; \\<br /> f(c)/2, & c = a \;\text{or}\; c = b; \\<br /> 0, & \text{otherwise}.<br /> \end{cases}[/tex]

I think it's not a problem to calculate it without Mathematica.

In cylindrical coordinates

[tex] 0 \leq \phi < 2\pi.[/tex]

You should keep only two terms of the infinite sum.

Those terms are random or? I'm confused because I have only solved simple integrals with delta function in my class, never with these sums :(
 
No, they are not random.
When you integrate the sum

[tex] \sum_m \delta(\phi - \phi_m)[/tex]

only two terms fit the condition

[tex]\phi_m \in (0, 2\pi).[/tex]

The other terms are not integrated and give zero.
 
I see, that's because I'm only need two zeros in that interval, so I'm only using those two! Thanks!
 
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