Finding Normal Modes in Coupled Oscillations

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The discussion revolves around finding the normal modes of oscillation for a system of two equal masses connected by springs. The original poster presents equations of motion derived from the setup but expresses uncertainty about their correctness and the subsequent steps to find the normal modes.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive equations of motion for the coupled oscillators but questions their accuracy. They seek assistance in solving for the normal modes using assumed solutions.
  • Some participants ask for clarification on the original poster's work to identify potential errors in their reasoning.
  • Others suggest expanding the derived equations to form a quadratic equation for further analysis.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's equations and providing guidance on how to proceed with the analysis. There is a focus on ensuring the equations are correctly manipulated to isolate the desired variable.

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The original poster's problem includes specific parameters such as mass and spring stiffness, which are relevant to the equations but are not fully detailed in the discussion. The nature of the problem suggests constraints typical in homework settings, such as the requirement to show work and derive results independently.

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Hi guys, I'm stuck on a problem that states:

Two equal masses oscillate in the vertical direction. Show that the frequences of the normal modes of oscillation are given by:

[tex]\omega^2 = (3 +- \sqrt{5})\frac{s}{2m}[/tex]

and that in the slower mode the ratio of the amplitude of the upper mass to that of the lower mass is [tex]\frac{1}{2}(\sqrt{5}-1)[/tex] whilst in the faster mode this ratio is [tex]\frac{-1}{2}(\sqrt{5}+1)[/tex]. The figure in the problem is basically:

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s
s
s
M
s
s
s
M

Where s is the spring and M are the masses (both springs have equal stiffness s).Basically, I'm not sure if I have the equations of motion down correctly. So far, I have:

1) [tex]\frac{md^2y_{1}}{dt^2} = -sy_{1} + s(y_{2} - y_{1}) => y_{1}'' = -\omega_{0}^2y_{1} + \omega_{0}^2(y_{2} - y_{1})[/tex]

2) [tex]\frac{md^2y_{2}}{dt^2} = -s(y_{2} - y_{1}) => y_{2}'' = -\omega_{0}^2(y_{2} - y_{1})[/tex]

Where [tex]y_{1}[/tex] and [tex]y_{2}[/tex] are the displacements of the first and second mass, respectively.
However when I use the solutions [tex]y_{1} = A_{1}\cos{wt}[/tex] and [tex]y_{2} = A_{2}\cos{wt}[/tex], find the derivatives, plug back in, etc, I cannot cleanly solve for the normal modes in terms of [tex]\omega[/tex]. I'm suspecting my equations of motion are incorrect, help?

Thanks
 
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Can you show some of your work so that we can see where you might be getting hung up? Your equations of motion appear fine.
 
1st equation: [tex]-A_{1}w^2\cos{wt} = -w_{0}^2A_{1}\cos{wt} + w_{0}^2(A_{2}\cos{wt} - A_{1}\cos{wt})[/tex]

cosines factor out, collect like terms, etc...then I get:

[tex]A_{1}(2w_{0}^2 - w^2) + A_{2}(-w_{0} = 0[/tex]

2nd equation: [tex]-A_{2}w^2\cos{wt} = -w_{0}^2(A_{2}\cos{wt} - A_{1}\cos{wt})[/tex]

cosines factor out, collect like terms, etc...then I get:

[tex]A_{1}(-w_{0}^2) + A_{2}(w_{0}^2 - w^2) = 0[/tex]

So finally I end up with a system of equations:

[tex]A_{1}(2w_{0}^2 - w^2) + A_{2}(-w_{0}) = 0[/tex]

[tex]A_{1}(-w_{0}^2) + A_{2}(w_{0}^2 - w^2) = 0[/tex]

To tackle this, I set the determinant of the matrix equal to zero:

[tex](2w_{0}^2 - w^2)(w_{0}^2 - w^2) - (w_{0}^2)^2 = 0[/tex]

From this, I can't isolate [tex]w^2[/tex] to get the answer.

Thanks
 
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Expand your last equation and collect like terms. The equation will then be in the form: [tex]a\omega^4+b\omega^2+c=0[/tex] where a, b, and c are constants. You can solve for [tex]\omega^2[/tex] using the quadratic equation.
 

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