Finding percentage of carbonate in mixed sample titration

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The discussion revolves around determining the percentage of Li2CO3 in a mixed sample of carbonates (SrCO3 and Li2CO3) through titration with hydrochloric acid. Participants explore the stoichiometry of the reaction, the assumptions about solubility, and the mathematical approach to solving the problem.

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  • One participant proposes using the stoichiometric ratios of the carbonates reacting with HCl to set up equations for the moles of each carbonate.
  • Another participant suggests looking up a solubility table to determine which carbonate dissolves in the solution being titrated, indicating that only one carbonate reacts.
  • A later reply emphasizes finding the total number of moles of acid used in the titration to determine the total moles of carbonate, leading to a system of equations involving the masses of SrCO3 and Li2CO3.
  • One participant expresses confusion about how to solve the equation for the moles of carbonate derived from the titration data.
  • Another participant reflects on the experimental approach, suggesting that filtering the insoluble carbonate could clarify which one is being titrated.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the method for solving the problem, with differing views on the assumptions regarding solubility and the approach to the calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best path forward for determining the percentage of Li2CO3.

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Participants express uncertainty about the solubility of the carbonates and the implications for the titration results. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in transitioning from the equations set up to solving for the individual masses of the carbonates.

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[SOLVED] Finding percentage of carbonate in mixed sample titration

A sample of mixed carbonates, SrCO3 (147.63 g/mol) and Li2CO3 (73.89 g/mol), weighed 0.5310 grams. If this sample is titrated with acid, it is found that 29.47 mL of 0.3400 M HCl are required to reach the endpoint. What is the percentage of Li2CO3 in the sample? SrCO3 and Li2CO3 are the only components in the sample and carbonate reacts as a di-protic base.

Ok so I know:

SrCO3 + 2 HCl --> CO2 + H2O...
LiCO3 + 2HCl --> CO2 + H2O...

So the stoichiometric ratio is two for both (hence the diprotic base). However, after setting up:

mol HCl = mol SrCO3 x 2 (SR) + mol LiCO3 x 2 (SR)
and changing the mol into wt over molar mass, where do I go from here? Should I assume both dissolve equally? If so, then the percent Li is 25 (one fourth), but that seems way too easy.. especially since they have different molar masses.
 
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thatgirlyouknow said:
Should I assume both dissolve equally? .

answer this question after looking up a solubility table. Only one of the carbonates is in the solution that the acid is titrating. use the mol of carbonate = vol acid x M acid /2 ; then find g of carbonate using MM. you have the mass of the mixture; %= g carbonate/g mixture
 
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eli64 said:
answer this question after looking up a solubility table. Only one of the carbonates is in the solution that the acid is titrating. use the mol of carbonate = vol acid x M acid /2 ; then find g of carbonate using MM. you have the mass of the mixture; %= g carbonate/g mixture

NO.

Instead, find the total number of moles of acid used in the titration. Write out the neutralization equation, ignoring the Sr and Li for the time being. This will be used to determine the total number of moles of carbonate titrated. The total number of moles of carbonate titrated will be equal to the total number of moles of SrCO3 plus LiCO3.

let
x=grams of SrCO3
y=grams of LiCO3

therefore, x + y = 0.5310g (or y = 0.5310 g - x) (1)

and

# moles SrCO3 = x / 147.63
# moles LiCO3 = y / 73.89 (or (0.5310 - x) / 73.89 (2)

and

# moles SrCO3 + # moles LiCO3 = moles carbonate (determined from HCl titration)
rewriting the above using equation (2) yields,

x/147.63 + (0.5310 - x)/73.89 = moles carbonate (determined from HCl titration)

Solve for x and substitute into equation (1) and determine y.
 
sorry, filtration first

:redface:Yes, of course the acid would react with both carbonates. I was thinking experimentally and not reading the problem (!). If this was a lab problem could you not dissolve the mixture of carbonates and and filter the insoluble one then titrate the soluble one. The question asked for the percentage of the Li2CO3.

sorry to mislead
 
I am still confused as to how you would go from:

x/147.63 + (0.5310 - x)/73.89 = moles carbonate (determined from HCl titration)

into solving for x.

My question is how do I obtain the moles of carbonate?
 

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