Finding Planar Representation of Torus with n Holes

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The discussion revolves around finding the fundamental group of T^{n}, the torus with n holes, through its planar representation. Participants are exploring the visualization and geometric understanding of multiple holes in a torus structure.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to visualize the double torus and its representation in three-dimensional space. There are discussions about cutting the torus down into an identification space and decomposing it into a cell complex. Questions arise regarding the relationship between the fundamental group and the geometric representation, particularly in relation to spheres with handles.

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Some participants have offered insights into visualizing the double torus and suggested alternative approaches, such as considering homotopy equivalences. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and methods to compute the fundamental group, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants note that the class is not rigorous, and understanding geometric arguments is sufficient. There is also mention of the challenge in visualizing higher-dimensional representations and the need for clarity in the identification process.

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Homework Statement


Find the fundamental group of T^{n}, the torus with n holes, by finding the planar representation of T^{n}.

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I'm just having a hard time finding the planar representation of T^{n}. I can't picture it.

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I can see how the picture attached rolls up into a torus. It rolls into a cylinder and then curls around into a doughnut. I am just having a hard time seeing how I can get a torus with 2 holes, 3 holes etc.

Thanks!

P.S. this isn't a very rigorous class. If I just understand how/why then the teacher is happy. He's not much of a proof guy. He's happy with geometric/picture arguments.
 

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Can you visualize the double torus? You should also be thinking in 3-dimensional space and not the plane.
 
I can visualize it in 3-D but I'm having a hard time imagining cutting it down into an identification space
 
Find a space homotopy equivalent to the double torus whose fundamental group you can compute. The 3-dimensional picture will help with this.

You can also do this by decomposing the double torus into a cell complex, as you suggested above, but I have always found that computation less obvious.
 
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Do you mean something like a sphere with 2 handles?

I could see the sphere with 1 handle has a group isomorphic to Z^{2}:
G=<g_{1},g_{2}|g_{1}*g_{1}^-1,g_{2}*g_{2}^-1> ??

So maybe the sphere with 2 handles has a group isomorphic to Z^{4} ??
 
stephenkeiths said:
Do you mean something like a sphere with 2 handles?

If you know how to compute the fundamental group of the sphere with 2 handles, then that works. The double torus is also homotopy equivalent to the wedge sum of two tori, which is (in my opinion) the easiest way to compute the fundamental group.
 

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