Finding Planetary Radius using density and escape velocity

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the radius of a planet based on its mean density and the escape velocity required for a golf ball to be thrown to infinity. The original poster presents an equation involving gravitational parameters but expresses difficulty in deriving the mass from the given density.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the escape velocity formula and the relationship between mass, density, and volume of a sphere. There are attempts to rearrange equations and clarify the algebra involved. Questions arise about the assumptions made regarding the planet's shape and the units of density provided.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to express mass in terms of density and volume. There is recognition of confusion regarding the algebraic manipulations and the definitions used, but no consensus has been reached on the next steps.

Contextual Notes

There are noted typos in the original problem statement regarding the volume formula and the units of density, which have led to some confusion in the discussion.

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1. "Calculate the radius of a planet with mean density of 3.0x10^3 m2kg-3, from which a golf ball can be thrown to infinity as a velocity of 40 ms-1"


Homework Equations


I've been looking at the equation of:

Vesc=sqroot of 2*G*M/r and rearranging to r=2*G*M/Vesc. However, the trouble is, I'm struggling to get the mass from the density? It appears I don't have enough information, or I'm barking up the wrong tree so to speak?


The Attempt at a Solution



can anyone point me in the right direction please?
 
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elDuderino81 said:
1. "Calculate the radius of a planet with mean density of 3.0x10^3 m2kg-3, from which a golf ball can be thrown to infinity as a velocity of 40 ms-1"

Homework Equations


I've been looking at the equation of:
fra
Vesc=sqroot of 2*G*M/r and rearranging to r=2*G*M/Vesc.


Recheck your algebra there. What happened to the square root?

However, the trouble is, I'm struggling to get the mass from the density? It appears I don't have enough information, or I'm barking up the wrong tree so to speak?

The Attempt at a Solution



can anyone point me in the right direction please?

Start with the conservation of energy statement ##\frac{1}{2}mv_e^2 = \frac{GMm}{r}## that leads to the equation you started with. ##m## is the mass of the golf ball (cancels out), while ##M## is the mass of the planet.

Now find an expression for ##M## in terms of the density and the radius. Assume the planet is a spherical ball of radius ##r##. What's the enclosed volume of a perfect sphere?
 
Curious3141 said:
Recheck your algebra there. What happened to the square root?
Start with the conservation of energy statement ##\frac{1}{2}mv_e^2 = \frac{GMm}{r}## that leads to the equation you started with. ##m## is the mass of the golf ball (cancels out), while ##M## is the mass of the planet.

Now find an expression for ##M## in terms of the density and the radius. Assume the planet is a spherical ball of radius ##r##. What's the enclosed volume of a perfect sphere?

The enclosed volume of a perfect sphere is is V=(3/4)∏*r3, and when rearranging the previous equation I get r=GM/0.5Ve^2 and M=G/0.5V^2*r?

I'm still struggling to see what I can do with this, as it appears that to find r I need M and to find M I need r? I'm really confused :-(
 
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elDuderino81 said:
The enclosed volume of a perfect sphere is is V=(3/4)∏*r3, and when rearranging the previous equation I get r=GM/0.5Ve^2 and M=G/0.5V^2*r?

I'm still struggling to see what I can do with this, as it appears that to find r I need M and to find M I need r? I'm really confused :-(

You have ##V##. What's the relationship between mass, density and volume? Hence what is ##M## in terms of ##r##?

Replace ##M## with that expression. Rearrange to isolate ##r## on one side of the equation. That's just simple algebra. But be careful with it - you seem prone to making mistakes with this. The expressions you wrote are ambiguous (you should use LaTex formatting), but there seems to be mistake with the rearrangement here too.
 
elDuderino81 said:
The enclosed volume of a perfect sphere is is V=(3/4)∏*r3, ... I'm really confused :-(

Yes, you are confused.

Is your planet a flabby sphere? You should recheck your formula for the volume of a sphere. I also didn't understand the units of average density in the OP for the planet. The units of density are ML^-3.
 
SteamKing said:
Yes, you are confused.

Is your planet a flabby sphere? You should recheck your formula for the volume of a sphere. I also didn't understand the units of average density in the OP for the planet. The units of density are ML^-3.

Hi, sorry about the typo, i should have wrote (4/3)∏r^3

In regards to units of density, again that was a typo and should read 3*10^3 kg M^-3, which is what has been provided in the problem set.
 
elDuderino81 said:
Hi, sorry about the typo, i should have wrote (4/3)∏r^3

In regards to units of density, again that was a typo and should read 3*10^3 kg M^-3, which is what has been provided in the problem set.

OK, so what's ##M##, as I asked in my post? You may represent the density by ##\rho##.
 

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