Finding Primitive Roots Modulo 169: Is There a Smarter Way?

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The discussion revolves around finding primitive roots modulo 169, specifically exploring methods and approaches to determine these roots efficiently. Participants share their experiences and insights regarding the calculations involved, as well as the theoretical background related to primitive roots in modular arithmetic.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their method for finding primitive roots modulo 13 and expresses uncertainty about how to extend this to modulo 169.
  • Another participant suggests that either 2 or 15 could be a primitive root modulo 169 and emphasizes the need to test these values.
  • A different participant notes that there is no straightforward method for finding primitive roots and suggests using basic theories along with modular exponentiation for a faster algorithm.
  • One participant clarifies that it is unnecessary to check all orders that divide φ(13²) and instead proposes checking specific orders derived from φ(13²) divided by distinct primes.
  • Another participant reinforces that since 2 is a primitive root mod 13, it implies that the order of 2 mod 169 is either (13-1) or 13(13-1), leading to a simplified testing process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying methods for finding primitive roots, with some suggesting specific values (2 or 15) while others discuss the theoretical underpinnings and necessary checks. There is no consensus on a singular method or conclusion, indicating multiple competing views remain.

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Some limitations include the complexity of determining primitive roots and the dependence on the properties of φ(13²). The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in proving the candidates as primitive roots.

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How can I find a primitive root modulo 169?
I found the primitive roots mod 13 by testing 2, and then concluding that any 2^k with (k, 12)=1 would do. So that gave me 2, 6, 7 and 11. But modulo 13 I have no idea how to start.. I’m sure there’s a smarter way than trying 2^the orders that divide phi(13^2)..?.
 
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tda120 said:
How can I find a primitive root modulo 169?
I found the primitive roots mod 13 by testing 2, and then concluding that any 2^k with (k, 12)=1 would do. So that gave me 2, 6, 7 and 11. But modulo 13 I have no idea how to start.. I’m sure there’s a smarter way than trying 2^the orders that divide phi(13^2)..?.
Hi tda, and welcome to MHB. You might be interested in this link, which tells you that the answer to your question is either $2$ or $2+13=15$. That still leaves you with the work of testing to see if $2$ works. If it does not, then $15$ does.
 
tda120 said:
How can I find a primitive root modulo 169?

There is no simple method. You can cobble up together some basic theories on primitive roots, find a bit of a rough upperbound (although none is known to be useful for small cases) and some modular exponentiation to get a fast enough algorithm.

As Opalg there indicated, that either 2 or 15 is primitive root modulo 169, can easily be found for this case. Try proving the former and then the later if it doesn't work.
 
tda120 said:
How can I find a primitive root modulo 169?
I found the primitive roots mod 13 by testing 2, and then concluding that any 2^k with (k, 12)=1 would do. So that gave me 2, 6, 7 and 11. But modulo 13 I have no idea how to start.. I’m sure there’s a smarter way than trying 2^the orders that divide phi(13^2)..?.

You don't have to check all the orders that divide $\phi(13^2)$.
It suffices to check each of the orders that are $\phi(13^2)$ divided by one of the distinct primes it contains.

In your case:
$$\phi(13^2)=2^2\cdot 3 \cdot 13$$
So the orders to verify are:
$$2\cdot 3 \cdot 13,\quad 2^2 \cdot 13, \quad 2^2\cdot 3$$
 
Opalg said:
Hi tda, and welcome to MHB. You might be interested in this link, which tells you that the answer to your question is either $2$ or $2+13=15$. That still leaves you with the work of testing to see if $2$ works. If it does not, then $15$ does.

Nice!

From that link we also get that since 2 is a primitive root mod 13, it follows that the order of 2 mod 169 is either (13-1) or 13(13-1).
So if $2^{13-1} \not\equiv 1 \pmod{169}$ that means that 2 has to be a primitive root mod 169. Or otherwise 15 has to be.

In other words, no need to check any of the other powers.
 

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