Appending a number to itself n times and finding modulo m

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In summary: Even if we knew $t^n$, we would have to divide it by $t-1$ to get $q$, and then multiply $q$ by $m$ and add $r$. And it's not going to be easy to find $t^n$. So we cannot do it like that.But we can still use the geometric series formula, but we will need to generalize it.If $a,b,c$ are integers and $a$ and $c$ are relatively prime, then:$$a^{b} \equiv a^{b \bmod \varphi(c)} \pmod c$$where $\varphi(c)$ is the number of natural numbers less than $c$ which
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A number(p) is given. now p is appended to itself n times(n can be
as large as 10^10). I need to find the number thus formed modulo m.
Let the number be 12 and n be 4.
so number thus formed is 12121212. let us find this number modulo 11
then the ans is 4.

On observing the pattern it is clear that the modulo value starts repeating for some value of n.
let p=12 and m=7,
for n=1, mod= 5
for n=2,mod= 1
for n=3,mod=0
for n=4 onwards the same mod i.e. 5,1,0 starts repeating.but the problem is for many values of p and m the repitition starts after a large value of n thus making it difficult to calculate.
So, there should be an easier method for this maybe some more reliable pattern or formula. Pls help.
 
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Acquirer said:
A number(p) is given. now p is appended to itself n times(n can be
as large as 10^10). I need to find the number thus formed modulo m.
Let the number be 12 and n be 4.
so number thus formed is 12121212. let us find this number modulo 11
then the ans is 4.

On observing the pattern it is clear that the modulo value starts repeating for some value of n.
let p=12 and m=7,
for n=1, mod= 5
for n=2,mod= 1
for n=3,mod=0
for n=4 onwards the same mod i.e. 5,1,0 starts repeating.but the problem is for many values of p and m the repitition starts after a large value of n thus making it difficult to calculate.
So, there should be an easier method for this maybe some more reliable pattern or formula. Pls help.

Hi Acquirer! Welcome to MHB! ;)

Let $p=12$ and $m=7$.
Let $P_n$ be the number with $p$ appended $n$ times to itself.

Then $P_1 = p = 12$ and:
$$P_2 \equiv P_1 \cdot 100 + p \equiv (P_1 \bmod 7) \cdot (100 \bmod 7) + (p \bmod 7)
\equiv (p \bmod 7)\cdot 2 + (p \bmod 7) \equiv 3(p \bmod 7) \equiv 1 \\
P_3 \equiv P_2 \cdot 100 + p \equiv (P_2 \bmod 7) \cdot 2 + (p \bmod 7)
\equiv 3(p \bmod 7)\cdot 2 + (p \bmod 7) \equiv 7(p \bmod 7) \equiv 0
$$

We see the pattern that the modulo number seems to be of the form $k(p \bmod m) \mod m$.
This is certainly true for $n=1$ with $k_1=1$.
So let's assume that $P_n \mod m = k_n \cdot p \mod m$.
And let $d$ be the number of digits of $p$.
Then:
$$P_{n+1} \equiv P_n \cdot 10^d + p \equiv (k_n \cdot p \bmod m) (10^d \bmod m) + (p \bmod m)
\equiv (k_n(10^d \bmod m)+1)(p \bmod m)
$$

So indeed, we have (by proof of induction):
$$P_n = k_n \cdot p \mod m$$
with $k_1=1$ and $k_{n+1} = (k_n(10^d \bmod m)+1) \bmod m$. (Thinking)
 
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Let $t=10^d \bmod m$, then:
$$k_{n+1} = (k_n\cdot t+1) \bmod m$$
So:
$$k_1=1,\quad k_2=t+1 \bmod m,\quad k_3=t^2+t+1 \bmod m,\quad ...$$
This is a so called geometric series. When we apply the formula to sum a geometric series, we get:
$$k_n = \frac{t^n - 1}{t-1} \bmod m$$

Let's go back to the example with $p=12, m=7, d=2, t=100 \bmod 7 = 2$.
We have:
$$P_n \bmod 7 = k_n\cdot 12 \bmod 7 = \frac{2^n - 1}{2-1} \cdot 5 \bmod 7
= 5(2^{3q+r} - 1) \bmod 7 = 5(8^q\cdot 2^r - 1) \bmod 7
= 5(1^q\cdot 2^r - 1) \bmod 7
= 5(2^r - 1) \bmod 7
$$
where $q$ and $r$ are such that $n=3q+r$ with $r=0,1,2$.

So:
$$P_n \bmod 7=0,1,5$$
when $n$ is a multiple of 3 plus respectively 0, 1, or 2.
 
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To find $(t-1)^{-1} \bmod m$, we're looking for a number $x$ such that $(t-1)x \equiv 1 \pmod m$.
As an example, suppose we have $t=3$ and $m=7$.
Then
$$(3-1)\cdot 4 \bmod 7 = 1$$
So:
$$(3-1)^{-1} \equiv 4 \pmod 7$$
To find it in general, we will need to apply the Euclidean algorithm.When I wrote $n=3q+r$, I meant that we should write $n$ as a multiple of $3$ plus a remainder $r < 3$.
The number $q$ is the quotient $q=\left\lfloor{\frac n 3}\right\rfloor$.
That's because we can simplify $2^3 \equiv 8 \equiv 1 \pmod 7$.
 
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But the value of x exists only when t-1 and m are relatively co-prime i.e. gcd(t-1,m)=1. However the question may ask for some values where t-1 and m are not co-prime. in that case we need to look for some other method to do the same...
 
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Acquirer said:
But the value of x exists only when t-1 and m are relatively co-prime i.e. gcd(t-1,m)=1. However the question may ask for some values where t-1 and m are not co-prime. in that case we need to look for some other method to do the same...

True.

Well... let again $P_n$ be the number consisting of $n$ times $p$ appended to itself, let $d$ be the number of digits of $p$, and let $t = 10^d \bmod m$.

Then we're looking for $P_n \bmod m = \frac{t^n - 1}{t-1}\cdot p \bmod m$.
That is, the remainder $r$ when we divide by $m$.
We can write it as:
$$\frac{t^n - 1}{t-1}\cdot p = qm + r$$
That is, we divide by $m$ leaving us the quotient $q$ and the remainder $r < m$, and we're looking for that remainder $r$.
It follows that:
$$(t^n - 1)\cdot p = qm(t-1) + r(t-1)$$
So:
$$(t^n - 1)\cdot p \mod m(t-1) = r(t-1)$$
Thus:
$$P_n \bmod m = r = \frac{1}{t-1}\Big((t^n - 1)\cdot p \mod m(t-1)\Big)$$
 
  • #7
Thank You very much for making the solution so clear.
Finally I will clarify two edge cases which one need to take care of.
the first is when t=1, then instead of a G.P. an A.P will be formed so tn in that case will be simply n.
the second is when t=0, then Pn mod m will be simply p mod m.
Thank you again.
 

1. What is the purpose of appending a number to itself n times and finding modulo m?

The purpose of this process is to find the remainder when a number is repeatedly added to itself a certain number of times and then divided by another number. This can be useful in various mathematical calculations and algorithms.

2. How do you append a number to itself n times?

To append a number to itself n times, you can use a loop or recursion to add the number to itself n times. For example, if the number is 5 and n is 3, you would add 5 + 5 + 5 = 15.

3. What is the significance of finding modulo m in this process?

Finding modulo m allows you to determine the remainder when the number is divided by m. This can be helpful in solving problems related to divisibility and remainders.

4. Can this process be applied to any number and any value of n and m?

Yes, this process can be applied to any number and any positive integers n and m. However, for very large numbers, the calculations may become computationally intensive.

5. How is this process used in real-world applications?

This process has various applications in fields such as cryptography, coding theory, and number theory. It is used in algorithms for generating random numbers, error correction, and data encryption.

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