Finding Ratios of Velocities After Impulsive Force on Rod of 3 Equal Masses

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The problem involves a system of three equal masses attached to a uniform rod on a smooth horizontal plane, where an impulsive force is applied to one of the end masses. The objective is to determine the ratios of the velocities of the three masses immediately after the impulse, which relates to concepts in classical mechanics, specifically angular momentum and rotational motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the moment of inertia of the system and the application of angular impulse and momentum principles. There is uncertainty about the correct formulation of the angular momentum equation and how to relate the velocities of the masses after the impulse.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on calculating the moment of inertia about the center of mass and suggested how to express the velocities of the masses in terms of the center of mass velocity and angular velocity. However, there remains a lack of consensus on the correct approach to derive the ratios of velocities, with ongoing attempts to clarify the relationships involved.

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Participants are working within the constraints of classical mechanics principles and are attempting to reconcile their calculations with the expected outcome of the velocity ratios. There is mention of a specific correct solution that has not yet been reached by all participants.

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Three equal masses are attached to the ends and midpoint of a light uniform rod, which lies on a smooth horizontal plane. One of the end masses is struck by an impulsive force perpendicular to the direction of the rod. Find the ratios of velocities of the three masses immediately after the impulse.


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This isn't course work, I am trying to brush up on some old classical mechanics.

I am uncertain as to what the mass moment of inertia of the system should be.
I tried setting the angular impulse (integral of torque by time) equal to the angular momentum of the system.

I am a little stuck.

Thanks.

 
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After the force has been applied, the center of mass will be moving with a certain velocity 'V', and at the same time the Rod will be rotating with respect to the center of mass.

Use the fact that ΔL = RΔP to obtain 'w'. See how you can use it to obtain the ratios. Remember, the mass at the center is moving with velocity 'V'. The moment of Inertia should be calculated about the center of mass (which would be the center of the rod). Does that help?
 
Yes it does help a lot. Thank you very much. I am still not coming to a solution however.

I have Icm = 1/4 * m * l^2, where l is the total length of the rod.

I use ΔL = R × ΔP = R * 3*m * V = Icm * w to solve for w. w = 6 * V / l.

Then I get the velocity of the top and bottom masses by Vtop = w * l / 2 and Vbottom = w * (-l / 2); giving me an incorrect solution.

What am I doing wrong? (The correct solution is => 5 : 2 : -1)

Thanks!
 
The reason you are getting an incorrect answer is because your delta L equation is wrong : the RHS specifically. Think on what the final momentum is. Remember, we can replace the entire system by a point mass at the center of the rod, the velocity of which is V and mass M (by calculation of center of mass).

Also, write the velocities as V+w*l/2, V-w*l/2, V. (top mass, bottom mass, middle mass) and then take the ratio.
 

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