Finding RMS Speed of Gas Atoms: Ideal Gas

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the root mean square speed of gas atoms in an ideal gas scenario, given specific conditions such as density, pressure, and temperature.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between pressure, density, and the number of atoms, questioning the omission of N (the number of atoms) in the equation used to find the speed. There is exploration of the definitions of density and its relation to the number of particles and mass.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying concepts related to density and the ideal gas law. There is a productive exchange of ideas regarding the interpretation of variables and the formulation of the equations involved.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the use of N as the total number of atoms versus the number of moles, and how this impacts the application of the ideal gas law in this context.

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Homework Statement


The ideal gas has a density of 2.4 kgm–3 at a pressure of 2.0 × 105 Pa and a
temperature of 300 K.Find the root mean square speed of the gas atoms.


Homework Equations



p=(1/3)*(Nm/V)*v(squared)


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to make v(squared) the subject, but N(the number of atoms) is not given, and when I looked at the answer, it made v(squared) the subject, and omitted N. I don's understand why do they have to omit N, is it because we are suppose to find the speed for one atom?
Sorry for my bad English.
 
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AllenHe said:

Homework Statement


The ideal gas has a density of 2.4 kgm–3 at a pressure of 2.0 × 105 Pa and a
temperature of 300 K.Find the root mean square speed of the gas atoms.


Homework Equations



p=(1/3)*(Nm/V)*v(squared)


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to make v(squared) the subject, but N(the number of atoms) is not given, and when I looked at the answer, it made v(squared) the subject, and omitted N. I don's understand why do they have to omit N, is it because we are suppose to find the speed for one atom?
Sorry for my bad English.

Well, N/V is the number of particles per unit of volume. If you multiply this by m, the mass per particle, you get the mass per unit volume. What's another name for that?
 
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cepheid said:
Well, N/V is the number of particles per unit of volume. If you multiply this by m, the mass per particle, you get the mass per unit volume. What's another name for that?

Oh, I get it, so you mean the density is mN/v, right?
 
AllenHe said:
Oh, I get it, so you mean the density is mN/v, right?

Yes, he means that in,

P= mnvrms2/3V

Density is mn/V

m=molar mass
n=number of moles

But you have written N=avogadro's number
m=mass of one molecule ?

Are you giving this formula for 1 mole of gas ?
 
AllenHe said:
Oh, I get it, so you mean the density is mN/v, right?

Yes, that is exactly what I meant :)
 
sankalpmittal said:
Yes, he means that in,

P= mnvrms2/3V

Density is mn/V

m=molar mass
n=number of moles

But you have written N=avogadro's number
m=mass of one molecule ?

Are you giving this formula for 1 mole of gas ?

The OP explicitly stated that N was the total number of atoms. So this problem isn't doing anything with moles.
 

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