Finding Roots and Order of an Integer: Two Problems in Number Theory

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The discussion revolves around two problems in number theory: the conditions under which the product of two distinct odd primes is a pseudoprime to the base 2, and the determination of incongruent roots of a polynomial modulo 6. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that for distinct odd primes p and q, pq is a pseudoprime to the base 2 if and only if the order of 2 modulo p divides (q-1) and the order of 2 modulo q divides (p-1).
  • Another participant suggests considering 2^{pq-1} for the first problem.
  • A different participant questions whether the orders of 2 modulo p and q must divide the other primes for the first problem to hold true.
  • For the second problem, a participant mentions that the prime factors of 6 cannot yield more than 2 incongruent roots based on Lagrange's theorem but seeks clarification on how to determine the exact number of incongruent roots.
  • One participant points out a potential error in the initial post regarding the modulus and the orders of 2, suggesting a need for clarity on which orders are being referenced.
  • Another participant notes that there are only 6 possibilities modulo 6 and suggests checking them all, while also indicating that a root modulo 6 must be a root modulo both 2 and 3.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions for pseudoprimality and the determination of incongruent roots, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the application of Lagrange's theorem and the specifics of the orders of 2 modulo the primes involved. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about how to approach the polynomial roots modulo a composite number.

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I have two problems I'm working on that I can't figure out. Could anyone please help?

1. show that if p and q are distinct odd primes, then pq is a pseudoprime to the base 2 iff order of 2 modulo p divides (q-1) and order of 2 modulo q divides (p-1)

I've been trying this proof by manipulating 2^(p-1)(q-1) congruent to 1 (mod pq) and 2^p congruent to 2 (modp) and 2^q congruent to 2 (modq) I also was trying to play around with the thm if (a,n)=1 n>0 then a^i congruent to a^j (modn) iff i is congruent to j (mod order of a modulo n) but I can't come up with anything.

2. Find the number of incongruent roots modulo 6 of the polynomial x^2 - x
I don't know how to solve this problem modulo 6 I only know how to solve it modulo p where p is a prime. Could anyone help me?

Thanks
 
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You should be looking at [itex]2^{pq-1}[/itex] for part one.

For part two, you might want to solve the problem for the prime factors of 6 to start.
 
for part one would saying that since we know that p doesn't divide p-1 and q doesn't divide q-1 then the orders have to divide the other primes for it to be a solution?

and part 2 i know that in the prime factors that the two factors can't have more than 2 incongruent roots by lagrange's theorem but how do I know exactly how many incongruent roots and how would I apply that to 6?
 
buzzmath said:
... and 2^p congruent to 2 (modp) and 2^q congruent to 2 (modq)...

This may be just a typo and not a problem with your work, but you've swapped p and q in the modulus, the order of 2 mod p divides q-1 means 2^q=2 mod p, etc.

I'm not sure what you're asking in your second post, it's not clear which orders you're alking about, mod p? mod q?

Can you prove either direction of this if and only if statement?

buzzmath said:
2. Find the number of incongruent roots modulo 6 of the polynomial x^2 - x
I don't know how to solve this problem modulo 6 I only know how to solve it modulo p where p is a prime. Could anyone help me?

There are only 6 possibilities mod 6, you can check them all.

If you want to revert to the prime case, if x is a root mod 6 if and only if it is a root mod 2 and mod 3. Solve the mod 2 and 3 cases, then work out which numbers mod 6 fit the bill.
 

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