Finding Solutions for ar''(t) + br'(t) + cr(t) = 0 with Vector r

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The discussion centers around the existence and methods for solving the differential equation ar''(t) + br'(t) + cr(t) = 0, where r is a vector. Participants explore various approaches to this problem, including its implications in the context of damped harmonic oscillators and vector calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the existence of solutions for the vector differential equation.
  • Another participant relates the equation to the damped harmonic oscillator, suggesting that the vector nature of r does not complicate the problem significantly, as it decouples into three identical equations for each component.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the vectorial nature of the differential equation alters the solution structure, proposing that the solution involves exponential terms combined with direction vectors.
  • One participant suggests using matrix representations for the coefficients in the differential equation, indicating that matrix operations can be applied to find solutions.
  • Another approach is proposed that involves redefining the vector r in terms of a new vector x, leading to a reformulation of the problem as an eigenvalue problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the vector nature of the differential equation, with some arguing it simplifies the problem while others contend it complicates the solution structure. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing approaches presented.

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Participants have not reached consensus on the best method for solving the equation, and there are various assumptions regarding the treatment of vector components and matrix representations that remain unaddressed.

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Exist solution for ar''(t) + br'(t) + cr(t) = 0 ? If yes how is?

PS: r is a vector.
 
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That form of differential equation is basically for a damped harmonic oscillator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damped_harmonic_oscillator#Damped_harmonic_oscillator.

The fact that [bf]r[/bf] is a vector is not really important to this problem since the problem decouples to 3 identical equations for x y and z (there's no term in that equation that couples the different directions to each other).

Solving just for x (the solutions for y and z are exactly the same): Try the solution ##x=e^{\lambda t}##, then this equation becomes:

$$a\lambda^2 e^{\lambda t}+b\lambda e^{\lambda t}+c e^{\lambda t}=0$$

Canceling the common factor ##e^{\lambda t}## we get:

$$a\lambda^2+b\lambda+c=0$$

This is a quadratic equation for ##\lambda## with the usual solution:

$$\lambda=\frac{-b\pm\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}$$

The differential equation is linear so we can add two different solutions together and still get a solution. The general solution is then:

$$x=A \exp\left(\frac{-b+\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}\right)+B\exp\left(\frac{-b-\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}\right)$$

More detail can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damping
 
The fact of the differential equation be vectorial and not scalar changes everything!

The solution for ##y'(x)=ky(x)## is ##y=C \exp(kx)## and graphically is an exponential curve, but the solution for ##\vec{r}'(t) = K \vec{r}(t)## is ##\vec{r} = C_1 \exp(\lambda_1 t) \hat{v}_1 + C_2 \exp(\lambda_2 t) \hat{v}_2## and graphically is or a saddle, or a node, or a proper node, etc...

Realize that my doubt, in matrix terms, will be so:
[tex]\begin{bmatrix} a_{11} & a_{12} \\ a_{21} & a_{22} \\ \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} x''\\ y''\\ \end{bmatrix} + \begin{bmatrix} b_{11} & b_{12} \\ b_{21} & b_{22} \\ \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} x'\\ y'\\ \end{bmatrix} + \begin{bmatrix} c_{11} & c_{12} \\ c_{21} & c_{22} \\ \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} x\\ y\\ \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} 0\\ 0\\ \end{bmatrix}[/tex]
 
Well, you do what Matterwave suggested just taking those coefficients to be matrices instead of numbers. All of those operations, exponential, square root, etc. can be defined for matrices.
 
Another way a problem like this is sometimes done is to define a new vector x by:

x2n-1=rn
x2n=r'n

such that dx2n-1/dt=x2n

Then you can rewrite the differential equation in the form dx/dt = Ax, where A is a 2n x 2n matrix. Then, when you make the substitution x = ceλt, it leads to an ordinary eigenvalue value problem (A-λI)x = 0.

Chet
 

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