Finding Solutions for Laplace's Equation with Radial Dependence

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The discussion revolves around solving Laplace's equation in a radial context, specifically the equation \(\nabla^2 T = 0\) with boundary conditions defined at two radii, \(r=a\) and \(r=b\), corresponding to temperatures \(T_1\) and \(T_2\). Participants are exploring the implications of these boundary conditions and the correct application of the polar form of the Laplacian.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the boundary conditions and the correct form of the Laplacian in polar coordinates. There are discussions about the integration process and the resulting expressions for temperature. Some participants express confusion regarding the equivalence of different forms of the polar Laplacian.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts and questioning the accuracy of the mathematical expressions used. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct form of the Laplacian and how to apply boundary conditions, but there is no explicit consensus on the solution yet.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the boundary conditions and the application of the polar Laplacian, with participants referencing different forms of the equation. The original poster's attempts at a solution are also questioned, indicating a need for further exploration of the problem setup.

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I need to solve:
\nabla ^2 T = 0 with T=T(r) and r=a/T=T1 and r=b/T=T2

Can anyone offer advice as to the solution?
 
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I don't quite understand what you mean with your boundary conditions, do you mean...

when r=a, T=T1
when r=b, T=T2

Is this what you mean?
 


flatmaster said:
I don't quite understand what you mean with your boundary conditions, do you mean...

when r=a, T=T1
when r=b, T=T2

Is this what you mean?

Hi,

Yes, sorry for the confusion
 


Where is your attempt at a solution? You need to crack open a textbook and flip to the section called "Laplace's equation".
 


Phyisab**** said:
Where is your attempt at a solution? You need to crack open a textbook and flip to the section called "Laplace's equation".
My result is :
T= \frac{1}{2} Ar + \frac{B}{ r}
A, B constants. Also in this example, I'm not sure how to apply the boundary conditions...
But the result I saw(without proof) involved logarithms...?
 


Well that's not the right solution. It's a pretty simple problem. Either you started with the wrong formula for the Laplacian in polar coordinates, or you integrated it wrong. You apply the boundary conditions the same way you would in any other situation.
 


\nabla ^2 T = \frac {\partial}{\partial r}( {1 \over r}\frac{\partial rT}{\partial r})=0
is the polar form used,

which implies {1 \over r}\frac{\partial rT}{\partial r}= A and integrate to get my (incorrect) result above...
What am I missing!?
 


Ah you just wrote the polar Laplacian wrong. It should be r(dT/dr)=A at your last step. :cool:
 


\frac{\partial T}{\partial r} = \frac{A}{r}

T(a)= Aln(a) + B = T_{1}
T(b)= Aln(b) + B = T_{2}
 
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Thanks.

I've been confused because I've seen two forms of the polar laplacian:
1)\frac {\partial}{\partial r}( {1 \over r}\frac{\partial T r}{\partial r})

and

2){1 \over r} \frac{\partial}{\partial r}(r \frac{\partial T}{\partial r})

how are these equivalent?
 
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\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial }{\partial r}\left(r\frac{\partial T}{\partial r}\right)=0

the factor of \frac{1}{r} comes from the laplacian with theta dependence. Here you are independent of angle. Just multiply by r and it is gone.
 

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