Finding spring constant in elastic collision of equal masses

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The discussion centers on calculating the spring constant for an elastic collision between two identical cars, one traveling at 40 MPH and the other at 80 MPH, with a maximum bumper indentation of 5 cm. The relevant equations include kinetic energy (KE = 1/2 m v²) and elastic potential energy (EPE = 1/2 k x²). The initial approach incorrectly assumed that all kinetic energy is absorbed by the springs, leading to confusion regarding mass cancellation. The correct method requires considering momentum conservation alongside energy conservation.

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Homework Statement


Two identical cars approach each other on a straight road. The red car has a velocity of 40MPH to the left and the green car has a velocity of 80MPH to the right.

A spring is attached to the front bumper so that a head-on collision will be elastic. If the maximum indentation of each bumper is 5cm, what is the spring constant of the bumpers?

Homework Equations


KE= 1/2 m v2
EPE = 1/2 k x2

The Attempt at a Solution


The kinetic energy must be absorbed by the two springs, so KEred car + KEgreen car = 2 * EPE, correct? Doing this I get a value of 320410m, but this doesn't seem right. Shouldn't I be able to get an answer that is not in terms of the mass? Did I set up the equation wrong and somehow the masses should cancel?
 
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ss85 said:
The kinetic energy must be absorbed by the two springs, so KEred car + KEgreen car = 2 * EPE, correct?
You cannot assume that all of the kinetic energy goes into the springs at the point of maximum compression. (Consider momentum conservation.)

(No reason to think that the masses will cancel from your final answer.)
 

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