Finding sum of infinite series: sums of two series together

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The discussion revolves around finding the sum of an infinite series that combines two geometric series. The series in question is structured as the sum of terms involving powers of 2 and 4, specifically $$ \left( \frac 1 2 + \frac 1 4 \right) + \left( \frac 1 {2^2} + \frac 1 {4^2} \right) + \ldots $$ Participants are exploring the properties of geometric series and the implications of their indices.

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  • Some participants attempt to apply the properties of geometric series to separate the sums, while others question the validity of their index choices and the implications of starting the index at different values. There is discussion about the relationship between the two series and how they might be combined or simplified.

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Participants have identified errors in the original poster's calculations and assumptions regarding the series. There is ongoing exploration of how to correctly apply the geometric series formula, with some guidance provided on adjusting the index for proper summation. The conversation remains open, with no consensus reached on a complete solution.

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There is mention of a discrepancy between the calculated sums and the answer provided in a textbook, prompting further investigation into the assumptions made about the series. The need for clarity on the starting index of the summation is also highlighted.

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Homework Statement


Find the sum of the following series:
$$ \left( \frac 1 2 + \frac 1 4 \right) + \left( \frac 1 {2^2} + \frac 1 {4^2} \right) +~...~+ \left( \frac 1 {2^k} + \frac 1 {4^k} \right) +~...$$

Homework Equations


$$ \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \left( u_k+v_k \right) = \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} u_k + \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} v_k $$
$$ \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} cu_k = c \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} u_k $$
Sum of a geometric series ## \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} ar^k = \frac a {1-r} ##

The Attempt at a Solution


The question referred back to the two relations I've put in the 'relevant equations' section - I assumed I'm meant to use the first one. So I split the sum into two sums as follows:
$$ \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \left( \frac 1 {2^k} + \frac 1 {4^k} \right) = \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \frac 1 {2^k} + \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \frac 1 {4^k} $$
For the left term, I got:
$$\sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \frac 1 {2^k} = \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \left( \frac 1 2 \right)^k = \frac 1 {1- \frac 1 2} = 2$$
Similarly for the right term:
$$\sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \frac 1 {4^k} = \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \left( \frac 1 4 \right)^k = \frac 1 {1- \frac 1 4} = \frac 4 3 $$
Then adding these together gives me ## 3 \frac 1 3 ##, which is... the wrong answer :redface:

I can see that ## \frac 1 {4^k} = \frac 1 {2^{2k}} ## - has that got something to do with the solution?

Edit: I should say that the answer in the back of the book is ## \frac 4 3 ## which makes me think that there must be a way that the first series is 'incorporated into' the second, but I can't quite get my head around that...!

Thanks in advance!
 
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Ryaners said:

Homework Statement


Find the sum of the following series:
$$ \left( \frac 1 2 + \frac 1 4 \right) + \left( \frac 1 {2^2} + \frac 1 {4^2} \right) +~...~+ \left( \frac 1 {2^k} + \frac 1 {4^k} \right) +~...$$

Homework Equations


$$ \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \left( u_k+v_k \right) = \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} u_k + \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} v_k $$
$$ \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} cu_k = c \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} u_k $$
Sum of a geometric series ## \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} ar^k = \frac a {1-r} ##
The formula is valid if the sum goes from k=0
 
Ryaners said:
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Homework Equations

[/B]$$ \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \left( u_k+v_k \right) = \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} u_k + \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} v_k $$ $$ \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} cu_k = c \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} u_k $$ Sum of a geometric series ## \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} ar^k = \frac a {1-r} ##
A couple of problems here.

First, the index in the Sigma notation should match the index in the items you are summing.

Then, as @ehild has pointed out, your index should start at zero, not 1 (unless you adjust for that).

Sum of a geometric series:
##\displaystyle \sum_{k = 0}^{\infty} ar^k = \frac a {1-r} ##
or​
##\displaystyle \sum_{k = 1}^{\infty} ar^k = \frac {ar} {1-r} ##
 
$$\sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \frac 1 {2^k} = \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \left( \frac 1 2 \right)^k = \frac {\color{green}{1}} {1- \frac 1 2} = 2$$
The first term(a) is not 1.
 
Buffu said:
$$\sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \frac 1 {2^k} = \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \left( \frac 1 2 \right)^k = \frac {\color{green}{1}} {1- \frac 1 2} = 2$$
The first term(a) is not 1.

$$\sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \frac 1 {2^k} = 2 \; \Longleftarrow \; \text{FALSE!}$$
$$ \begin{array}{lcc} \frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{4} &=& \frac{3}{4}\\
\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{8} &=& \frac{7}{8}\\
\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{8} +\frac{1}{16} &=& \frac{15}{16}\\
\vdots&\vdots&\vdots
\end{array}
$$
The sums are creeping up to 1, not to 2.
 
Ah ok, my mistake. Thank you all for pointing that out, I didn't realize the formula would change if the index changed, though of course that makes sense. Cheers!
 
I wouldn't consider it solved until you give a complete solution.

Yes, it's likely that now you do know how to solve this.​
 
Ray Vickson said:
$$\sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \frac 1 {2^k} = 2 \; \Longleftarrow \; \text{FALSE!}$$
$$ \begin{array}{lcc} \frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{4} &=& \frac{3}{4}\\
\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{8} &=& \frac{7}{8}\\
\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{8} +\frac{1}{16} &=& \frac{15}{16}\\
\vdots&\vdots&\vdots
\end{array}
$$
The sums are creeping up to 1, not to 2.
Yes I know, that is the error in the post.
He forgot to account for first term of the GP (a) in the formula.

I should have wrote the formula in quote box.
 
SammyS said:
I wouldn't consider it solved until you give a complete solution.

Yes, it's likely that now you do know how to solve this.​

So by multiplying the formula by ##r## in order to start the index at 1 instead of 0, it becomes ## \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac {ar} {1-r} ## where ##a = a_0 = 1## for both series (because when summing a geometric series from ##n=1##, the first term is ##a_1 = ar##). The sum of each series is therefore 1 and ##\frac 1 3## respectively giving a total of ##\frac 4 3##.

Buffu said:
Yes I know, that is the error in the post.
He forgot to account for first term of the GP (a) in the formula.

* she :)

Thanks again folks!
 
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@Ryaners, please post questions about infinite series in the Calc & Beyond section. I have moved this thread.
 

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