Finding T with Newton's Cooling Law

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation derived from Newton's cooling law, specifically addressing the behavior of temperature over time given a time-varying ambient temperature. Participants explore the integration techniques and the implications of the solution, including initial conditions and the nature of the terms in the solution.

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  • One participant presents the differential equation T' = -k[T - Ta] with Ta(t) = 65 - 10cos(t) and asks if substituting k = 2 is correct.
  • Another participant confirms the substitution and asks about the type of differential equation and methods for solving it.
  • A participant attempts to solve the equation using an integrating factor and presents their work, questioning if it is correct.
  • Another participant points out an error in the integration process and suggests how to properly include the arbitrary constant in the solution.
  • One participant shares their revised solution and inquires about describing the behavior of the function explicitly, particularly regarding the transient and steady-state components of the solution.
  • Another participant questions the computation of the constant C based on the initial condition and discusses the nature of the terms in the solution.

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Participants generally agree on the approach to solving the differential equation but express uncertainty regarding the correct computation of constants and the interpretation of the solution's behavior. Multiple viewpoints on how to describe the solution's components are present.

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Participants reference the need for careful handling of initial conditions and the integration process, indicating potential limitations in their current understanding or execution of the mathematical steps involved.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in differential equations, particularly in the context of physical applications such as heat transfer and cooling laws.

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Hi,

I just need help getting started with this problem. I am given the Newton's cooling law which is
T'= -k[T-Ta]
and I'm also given that Ta is a function also and it is Ta(t)=65-10cos(t)
I'm asking to solve for T when k=2 and T(0) = 75.

Do I just plug in 2 for k and plug Ta in the T'= function?

If so, I would get:
T'=-2T+130-20 cost (t)

Is this correct so far?
 
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notagenuis said:
Hi,

I just need help getting started with this problem. I am given the Newton's cooling law which is
T'= -k[T-Ta]
and I'm also given that Ta is a function also and it is Ta(t)=65-10cos(t)
I'm asking to solve for T when k=2 and T(0) = 75.

Do I just plug in 2 for k and plug Ta in the T'= function?

If so, I would get:
T'=-2T+130-20 cost (t)

Is this correct so far?

Yes, it is correct so far. What kind of DE is this? How would you go about solving it?
 
Ok, i have attempted to solve it using an integration factor, right?

So
T'=-k[T-65+10cos(t)]
Im asked to assume that k=2 so i got
T'=-2T+130-20cos(t)
T'+2T=-20cos(t)+130
U(t)=e^(2t)
..
T=-4(sin(t)+2cos(t))+65+C
Initial condition T(0)=75 so when i plug it in i get
T=-4sin(t)-8cos(t)+18

Can you tell me if this looks good so far?
 
notagenuis said:
Ok, i have attempted to solve it using an integration factor, right?

So
T'=-k[T-65+10cos(t)]
Im asked to assume that k=2 so i got
T'=-2T+130-20cos(t)
T'+2T=-20cos(t)+130
U(t)=e^(2t)
..
T=-4(sin(t)+2cos(t))+65+C

The problem here is that when you multiply through by $e^{-2t}$ after integrating, the factor should hit the arbitrary constant. That is, you should have
$$T(t)=65-8\cos(t)-4\sin(t)+Ce^{-2t}.$$

Initial condition T(0)=75 so when i plug it in i get
T=-4sin(t)-8cos(t)+18

Can you tell me if this looks good so far?

Try propagating these changes.
 
Thank you very much. I followed your suggestions, this is what my answer looks like:

T=75e^(-2t) +65-8cost-4sint

I understand that the term 75e^(-2t) is a decaying term because it goes to 0 as t goes to infinity. However, how do you think I must describe the behavior of the function with an explicit formula? I understand that it's really the forcing term (65-the rest of the answer) is what's left...but how do I describe this in an explicit formula?

Thank you very much for your help walking me through this.
 
notagenuis said:
Thank you very much. I followed your suggestions, this is what my answer looks like:

T=75e^(-2t) +65-8cost-4sint

Hmm. With that equation for $T$, I get that
$$T(0)=75+65-8=132.$$
Are you sure you've computed $C$ correctly?

I understand that the term 75e^(-2t) is a decaying term because it goes to 0 as t goes to infinity.

Yep!

However, how do you think I must describe the behavior of the function with an explicit formula?

Not quite sure I understand what you're asking here. If you have the correct $T(t)$, then that IS the explicit formula! You can't get more explicit, in fact.

I understand that it's really the forcing term (65-the rest of the answer) is what's left...but how do I describe this in an explicit formula?

Oh, I suppose you could call the $Ce^{-2t}$ the transient behavior, or the forced response (forcing term or particular solution). Then you also have the natural response (homogeneous solution). It depends on if you're in an engineering environment or a mathematical one.

Thank you very much for your help walking me through this.

You're quite welcome!
 

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