Newton's law of cooling - formula for constant k

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the practical applications of Newton's law of cooling, specifically focusing on the formula for the constant \( k \) and its derivation. Participants explore the implications of using an approximate formula for \( k \) that involves the heat transfer coefficient, area of heat exchange, and heat capacity, while seeking reliable sources for this relationship.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in the practical applications of Newton's law of cooling and questions the derivation of the formula for \( k \) given by \( k=\frac{hA}{C} \).
  • Another participant challenges the feasibility of obtaining the heat transfer coefficient \( h \) without measurements.
  • A suggestion is made to consult the book "Transport Phenomena" by Bird, Stewart, and Lightfoot for further information.
  • Participants note that approximate values for the heat transfer coefficient \( h \) can be found in tables for various conditions, although they acknowledge that experimental testing would yield more accurate results.
  • One participant mentions the availability of dimensionless correlations for estimating \( h \) based on the Nusselt number, Reynolds number, and Prandtl number, as well as for natural convection using the Grashof number.
  • References to additional resources such as the Chemical Engineers' Handbook and Mechanical Engineers' Handbook are provided for further exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation of the formula for \( k \) or the practicality of obtaining \( h \) without measurements. Multiple viewpoints regarding the use of approximate values and the need for experimental validation remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of relying on approximate values for the heat transfer coefficient and the dependence on specific conditions and system geometries for accurate estimations.

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Hi,

recently I got interested with practical applications of Newton's law of cooling. Its main disadvantage is that one has to measure temperature at some point of time (other than ##t=0##) to obtain solution for any other ##t##. However I've found an online calculator (https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/Newtons-law-of-cooling). It features the standard equation from this law: ##T=T_{amb}+(T_{0}-T_{amb}) \cdot e^{-k \cdot t}##. However there's also a formula for approximate constant ##k##: $$k=\frac{hA}{C}$$ where: ##h## - heat transfer coefficient, ##A## - area of heat exchange, ##C## - heat capacity. If this formula is correct then it makes Newton's law of cooling much more useful since no measurement is needed to obtain approximate results. However my question is - do you know how this formula is derived, what is the reason for such relationship and, what's even more important, where else can I find it (so far I've only seen it on this single website) ? Do you know any books with this equation ? I need some reliable source.

Thanks in advance for your help
 
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How will you get the value of h without measurements?
 
Check out Transport Phenomena by Bird, Stewart, and Lightfoot
 
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Approximate values of heat transfer coefficient ##h## for various conditions (forced/natural convection) and types of fluid/gas can be easily found in the tables. Of course to get more accurate values one would have to perform some experimental testing but for me these approximate coefficients are enough.

Thanks for this book recommendation. I will try to find it. If you know about any other books with this formula, please let me know.
 
FEAnalyst said:
Approximate values of heat transfer coefficient ##h## for various conditions (forced/natural convection) and types of fluid/gas can be easily found in the tables. Of course to get more accurate values one would have to perform some experimental testing but for me these approximate coefficients are enough.

Thanks for this book recommendation. I will try to find it. If you know about any other books with this formula, please let me know.
In many cases, there are dimensionless correlations available of heat transfer coefficient in terms of the Nussult number as a function of Reynolds number and Prantdl number. For natural convection, they are in terms of Grashoff number. So, for the specific system geometry and material properties in your situation, you can get an accurate estimate of the heat transfer coefficient.

See also the Chemical Engineers' Handbook, Mechanical Engineers Handbook, etc.
 

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