Finding Tangent Slope at General Point with Limits

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The discussion revolves around finding the slope of the tangent line to the function f(x) = x^2 + x + 1 at a general point where the x-coordinate is represented by 'a'. Participants explore the application of limits in this context, discussing various approaches to derive the tangent slope using the limit definition of the derivative.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the limit formula for finding the slope of the tangent line and seeks clarification on applying it with a general point 'a'.
  • Another participant provides a step-by-step calculation, arriving at the expression 2a + 1 for the slope, but does not clarify how they reached the second step from the first.
  • Several participants discuss the factoring of the numerator and the cancellation of terms, with one suggesting that adding and subtracting terms can complicate the process unnecessarily.
  • One participant argues for a more straightforward approach by recognizing a difference of squares in the numerator, proposing a factorization method instead.
  • Another participant expresses appreciation for this alternative method, indicating a preference for it over the previously discussed approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best method to simplify the limit expression, with no consensus reached on a single approach. Some favor factoring techniques while others question the necessity of certain algebraic manipulations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights various algebraic techniques and their implications for solving the limit problem, but does not resolve the effectiveness or appropriateness of each method presented.

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I've been using the formula
lim
x-->a f(x)-f(a)
--------
x-a
I haven't had any problems until I was asked to find the slope of the tangent at the general point whose x-coordinate is a. How do I do it with an a instead of a point?

I'm trying to find it for x^2+x+1

Thanks!
 
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Jenninifer said:
I've been using the formula
lim
x-->a f(x)-f(a)
--------
x-a
I haven't had any problems until I was asked to find the slope of the tangent at the general point whose x-coordinate is a. How do I do it with an a instead of a point?

I'm trying to find it for x^2+x+1

Thanks!



[itex]\lim_{x\to a}\frac{x^2+x+1-(a^2+a+1)}{x-a}=\lim_{x\to a}\frac{(x-a)(x+a+1)}{x-a}=\lim_{x\to a} (x+a+1)=2a+1[/itex]

DonAntonio
 
I got to the first step, but how do you get to the second step?
 
By the second step do you mean when he factors the numerator, or when he cancels the x-a from the numerator and the denominator?
 
Jenninifer said:
I got to the first step, but how do you get to the second step?

[itex]\displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow a} \frac{x^2+x+1-(a^2+a+1)}{x-a} = \lim_{x \rightarrow a}\frac{x^2+x-a^2-a}{x-a} = \lim_{x \rightarrow a}\frac{x^2+ax+x-a^2-ax-a}{x-a}[/itex]

Do you see what to do from there? Creatively adding 0 or multiplying by 1 shows up a lot in mathematics.
 
scurty said:
[itex]\displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow a} \frac{x^2+x+1-(a^2+a+1)}{x-a} = \lim_{x \rightarrow a}\frac{x^2+x-a^2-a}{x-a} = \lim_{x \rightarrow a}\frac{x^2+ax+x-a^2-ax-a}{x-a}[/itex]

Do you see what to do from there? Creatively adding 0 or multiplying by 1 shows up a lot in mathematics.



I think that when when we reach some level in mathematics, high school tricks only can, sometimes,

confuse and/or make things lengthier and more cumbersome.

Adding and substracting that "ax" in the numerator in one of those tricks, and in this case it just adds more writing innecessarily, imo.

The best, I think, is to observe that we have a difference of squares in the numerator and thus directly to factor:

[itex]x^2+x-a^2-a=x^2-a^2+x-a=(x-a)(x+a)+x-a=(x-a)(x+a+1)[/itex] ...

DonAntonio
 
Hmm, I didn't think of it that way! I like that way better!
 

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