Finding the Angle Between Vectors A and B in the Cross Product

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The discussion revolves around finding the angle between vectors A and B in the context of their cross product, specifically within the xy plane. Vector A has a magnitude of 7.4 and is oriented at an angle of 142 degrees from the positive x-axis, while vector B is defined by its components in the Cartesian coordinate system.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of the cross product and its implications for determining angles. There is discussion about the components of the vectors and the resulting vector from the cross product. Some participants question the notation and the interpretation of angles in three-dimensional space.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their calculations and questioning assumptions about vector components and angles. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need to express the direction of the cross product vector and the relationship between the cross product and angles with respect to the coordinate axes.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the transition from two-dimensional to three-dimensional vector analysis, particularly in how angles are calculated with respect to different axes. Some participants express uncertainty about the notation and the implications of the cross product in three-dimensional space.

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Homework Statement


Vectors A & B lie in an xy plane. A has a magnitude 7.4 and an angle 142(deg) with respect to the +x direction. B has components (-6.84i, -7.37j)
B) What is the angle between the -y axis and the direction of the Cross product between A and B?


Homework Equations


Cross Product Formula


The Attempt at a Solution



So I layed out my grid.

i----------j-------k
(-5.83)----(4.55)----(0) (A->)
(-6.84)---(-7.37)----(0) (B->)

I got the -5.83 & 4.55 from the formula (7.4cos142, 7.4sin142)
Welp, I added everything up and got 74.1
Wiley plus isn't accepting it. I have everything else right on this problem save for this part. The answer is expressed in degrees. I very much gave this question an honest amount of attempts. Running out./:
 
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Fetch said:

Homework Statement


Vectors A & B lie in an xy plane. A has a magnitude 7.4 and an angle 142(deg) with respect to the +x direction. B has components (-6.84i, -7.37j)
B

So I layed out my grid.

i----------j-------k
-5.83----4.55----0 (A)
-6.84----7.37----0 (B)


You miss a minus in front of 7.37. But the direction of the cross-product vector is needed. Express it with i, j, k. Does it have any components in the plane?

ehild
 
When I work it out I have [(0)-(0)]i - [(0)-(0)]j + [(-5.83*-7.37)-(4.55*-6.84)]k

Which comes out to (0)i + (0)j + (74.0891)k
Is the answer not 74.1? O.o
 
Fetch said:
When I work it out I have [(0)-(0)]i - [(0)-(0)]j + [(-5.83*-7.37)-(4.55*-6.84)]k

Which comes out to (0)i + (0)j + (74.0891)k
Is the answer not 74.1? O.o
No, you need to give an angle.
The resultant vector has only k component. What do you get if you make the dot product of it with any vectors of the plane?
If the dot product of two vectors is zero, what is the angle between them?

ehild
 
I'm stupid. Its 90.
Lol.

Hey, while you're at it can you explain part C?

It asks for the angle between the -y axis and (A-> x (b-> +3k)

The answer is 105, but it looks like I lucked into it, would love to understand what's actually going on. I know that the K vector is going upwards, but since there's and x and y involved then it goes out at an angle. Could I use tangent to discover the angle it makes with the floor, then take that number away from 180 to get the 105?
 
I do not understand your notation. Do you need the cross product ##\vec A \times (\vec B + 3 \vec k)##?

Remember, the components of a vector are magnitude times cosine of the angle they enclose with a positive axis.

ehild
 
Yes that is what I meant.

I understand that for an xy plane, but when I do it with respect to the 3d plane I get a little lost.
I'm having trouble understanding how to find this angle?
 
Do you know how to determine the angle between two vectors, using the dot product?

ehild
 
Its something like Vector A dot Vector B = abcosθ right?
But wouldn't that only give me an angle with respect to the xy plane and not with respect to the variation due to traveling along the z axis?
 
  • #10
You need the angle of the cross product vector with the unit vector -j .

What is the cross product ##\vec A \times (\vec B + 3 \vec k)##?

ehild
 
  • #11
I got 13.65i - (-17.49)j + 74.08k?
 
  • #12
Well, what is the magnitude of this? And what angle does it enclose with a unit vector along the -y axis?

ehild
 
  • #13
The magnitude is 73.33.
I used the j component (17.49j) as my magnitude for the -y vector (represented as a positive y vector so I could find the reference angle).
Then used the dot product to find the angle that it enclosed.
It encloses an angle of like 76 or 75 degrees with the positive y-axis, so the angle with the negative -y axis was like 104 or 105 degrees, which is the answer.

Seem legit?
 
  • #14
Yes, it is correct.
If you multiply 17.49 j with (-j) and divide it by the magnitude 73.33, you get a negative number, cos(104°)

ehild
 
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