Finding Orbital Period of Unknown Planet

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The discussion revolves around finding the orbital period of a satellite in circular orbit around an unknown planet. The satellite's altitude, orbital speed, and escape velocity are provided, along with the gravitational constant. Participants are exploring the relationships between these variables to derive the orbital period.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use Kepler's law and energy equations to relate the orbital period to the radius of the orbit. They express concern about insufficient information to solve for the radius.
  • Some participants suggest incorporating the orbital velocity into the calculations, questioning how to effectively use both the orbital and escape velocities.
  • Others note the distinction between the radius for escape velocity and the radius for orbital velocity, prompting a discussion on the implications of this difference.
  • There is a suggestion to consider the relationships between the known variables, but uncertainty remains about how to proceed without additional relationships.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants engaging in reasoning about the relationships between the variables. Some guidance has been offered regarding the equations available, but there is no explicit consensus on how to move forward with the calculations. Participants are still exploring the implications of the given information.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of not knowing the radius of the planet or its mass, which are critical to solving the problem. The distinction between the radius for escape velocity and the radius for the satellite's orbit is also a point of consideration.

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Homework Statement


A satellite is in circular orbit at an altitude of 800 km above the surface of a nonrotating planet with an orbital speed of 3.7 km/s. The minimum speed needed to escape from the surface of the planet is 9.8 km/s, and G = 6.67 × 10-11 N · m2/kg2. The orbital period of the satellite is closest to

Homework Equations


This question is supposed to be related to Kepler's law, so I imagine it has something to do with:

##k = \frac{T^2}{R^3}##

Another period equation I've tried:

##T = \frac{2\pi\sqrt{R}^3}{\sqrt{GM}}##

I think energy is going to factor in somehow, so:

##K = \frac{1}{2}mv^2## and ##U = \frac{GMm}{R}##

And escape velocity is given, so maybe:

##v_e = \sqrt{\frac{2GM}{R}}##

The Attempt at a Solution


Everything I try, it seems like there is not enough information.

I tried starting with:

##T = \frac{2\pi\sqrt{R}^3}{\sqrt{GM}}##

Then I solved the escape velocity formula for ##\sqrt{GM}##:

##\sqrt{GM} = v_e\sqrt{\frac{R}{2}}##

This way I can sub it into the perio equation:

##T = \frac{2\pi\sqrt{r}^3}{v_e\sqrt{\frac{R}{2}}}##

Simplifying I get:

##T = \frac{2\pi R\sqrt{2}}{v_e}##

This gets rid of most of the unknowns, but it still contains R, which we don't know. This is where I get stuck. How can we find a substitution for R?

Thanks.
 
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You have not used the information on the orbital velocity. Without it there would indeed be too little information.
 
Orodruin said:
You have not used the information on the orbital velocity. Without it there would indeed be too little information.

I would love to use the velocity, but I can't seem to find a way to incorporate both velocities. I could use ##T = \frac{2\pi R}{v}##, but I'm still stuck with ##R##. I've tried working around other equations, but it always seems that without either the radius of the planet or the mass of the planet, I reach a dead end. This kind of makes intuitive sense as well. If the size of the planet went down, the satellite would be closer to the center of gravity, but if the mass also went down, the speed could stay the same. Same with escape velocity. We don't know where the surface is, so it doesn't give us much information. It seems like one of those factors is crucial. Or is there some relationship between the escape velocity and orbital velocity that tells us something?

Thanks.
 
So you have two equations and two unknowns. This is a solvable system.

Also note that the escape velocity is not given at the same radius as the satellite.
 
Orodruin said:
So you have two equations and two unknowns. This is a solvable system.

Also note that the escape velocity is not given at the same radius as the satellite.

Orodruin said:
So you have two equations and two unknowns. This is a solvable system.

Also note that the escape velocity is not given at the same radius as the satellite.

Oops, you're right, I overlooked the difference in radius. The escape velocity is at ##R##, and the orbital velocity is at ##R+h##, and we know ##h##, so that maintains the number of unknowns. I'm not sure we can use those two equations as a system though, because they are the same relationship. I think we need another relationship. I tried ##a = \frac{v^2}{R}##, but that just introduces ##a##.

Can someone give me a little guidance?

Thank you.
 
But you already have two relations relating T and R in terms of known variables! Why do you want more?
 

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