Finding the Coefficient Ratio of a Binomial Expansion Problem

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The discussion revolves around finding the value of \( c \) in the binomial expansion of \( (3x^2 + 2x + c)^{12} \) given the ratio of coefficients \( \frac{A_{19}}{A_5} = \frac{1}{2^7} \). Participants explore various methods to approach the problem, including the multinomial theorem and intuitive reasoning about the relationships between coefficients.

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  • Some participants express reluctance to use the multinomial theorem due to the complexity of calculations involved.
  • One participant proposes a method of grouping terms based on the powers of \( x \) to derive coefficients for \( A_{19} \) and \( A_5 \).
  • Another participant suggests an intuitive approach that relates the coefficients of terms of degree 5 and 19, leading to the conclusion that \( c = 6 \) based on the ratio of coefficients.
  • Several participants discuss the validity and clarity of a given solution that involves a substitution method, questioning the steps taken to arrive at the final expression.
  • There are multiple attempts to clarify the reasoning behind the substitution and the manipulation of summation indices in the context of the problem.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to solve the problem, with some favoring the multinomial approach while others prefer intuitive reasoning. Disagreements arise regarding the clarity of the provided solution and the steps involved in the substitution method.

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Participants note that the problem is set in an exam context, which influences their preference for quicker methods. There is also mention of the significance of the polynomial degree and the relationship between coefficients, which remains somewhat unresolved in the discussion.

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Problem:
Let $\displaystyle (3x^2+2x+c)^{12}=\sum_{r=0}^{24} A_rx^r$ and $\dfrac{A_{19}}{A_5}=\dfrac{1}{2^7}$, then $c$ is

A)4
B)5
C)6
D)7

Attempt:
One way I know of to solve such a problem is by using the multinomial theorem but I am reluctant to use it here. It would take a lot of time to write down all the combinations and perform the calculations if I use multinomial theorem. Since this is an exam problem, I feel there exists a much better method.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Pranav said:
Problem:
Let $\displaystyle (3x^2+2x+c)^{12}=\sum_{r=0}^{24} A_rx^r$ and $\dfrac{A_{19}}{A_5}=\dfrac{1}{2^7}$, then $c$ is

A)4
B)5
C)6
D)7

Attempt:
One way I know of to solve such a problem is by using the multinomial theorem but I am reluctant to use it here. It would take a lot of time to write down all the combinations and perform the calculations if I use multinomial theorem. Since this is an exam problem, I feel there exists a much better method.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

Hi Pranav,:)

I don't know if my way of attacking this problem looks easy (or the other way round) to you, but I think I will post my solution here...:o

$\displaystyle (3x^2+2x+c)^{12}=(3x^2+(2x+c))^{12}=\sum_{n=0}^{12} {12\choose n} (3x^2)^n(2x+c)^{12-n}$

Now, in order to collect all coefficients of $x^{19}$, we only need to consider the cases when $n=7,\,8,\,9$ (we could tell these are the only cases we need to take care if we think of the term $(3x^2)^n$:

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 70%"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 15%"]$n$[/TD]
[TD]The term associates with $x^{19}$[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]$n=7$[/TD]
[TD]${12\choose 7}\cdot 3^7\cdot{5\choose 0}\cdot2^{5} \cdot c^0\cdot x^{19}=25344(3^7)x^{19}$[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]$n=8$[/TD]
[TD]${12\choose 8}\cdot 3^8\cdot{4\choose 1}\cdot2^{3} \cdot c^1\cdot x^{19}=47520(3^7)cx^{19}$[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]$n=9$[/TD]
[TD]${12\choose 9}\cdot 3^9\cdot{3\choose 2}\cdot2^{1} \cdot c^2\cdot x^{19}=11880(3^7)c^2x^{19}$[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Now, in order to collect all coefficients of $x^{5}$, we only need to consider the cases when $n=0,\,1,\,2$ (similarly, we could tell these are the only cases if we think of the term $(3x^2)^n$:

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 70%"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 15%"]$n$[/TD]
[TD]The term associates with $x^{5}$[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]$n=0$[/TD]
[TD]${12\choose 0} \cdot{12\choose 7}\cdot 2^{5} \cdot c^7\cdot x^{5}=25344(c^7)x^{5}$[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]$n=1$[/TD]
[TD]${12\choose 1}\cdot 3^1\cdot{11\choose 8}\cdot2^{3} \cdot c^8\cdot x^{5}=47520(c^8)x^{5}$[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]$n=2$[/TD]
[TD]${12\choose 2}\cdot 3^2\cdot{10\choose 9}\cdot2^{1} \cdot c^9\cdot x^{5}=11880(c^9)x^{5}$[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Since we're told $\dfrac{A_{19}}{A_5}=\dfrac{1}{2^7}$ and from our working, we have

$\begin{align*}\dfrac{A_{19}}{A_5}&=\dfrac{25344(3^7)+47520(3^7)c+11880(3^7)c^2}{25344(c^7)+47520(c^8)+11880(c^9)}\\&=\dfrac{(3^7)(25344+47520c+11880c^2)}{(c^7)(25344+47520c+11880c^2}\\&=\dfrac{3^7}{c^7}\end{align*}$

In other words, we obtain $\dfrac{A_{19}}{A_5}=\dfrac{1}{2^7}=\dfrac{3^7}{c^7}$ or simply, $c=6$.
 
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Pranav said:
Problem:
Let $\displaystyle (3x^2+2x+c)^{12}=\sum_{r=0}^{24} A_rx^r$ and $\dfrac{A_{19}}{A_5}=\dfrac{1}{2^7}$, then $c$ is

A)4
B)5
C)6
D)7

Attempt:
One way I know of to solve such a problem is by using the multinomial theorem but I am reluctant to use it here. It would take a lot of time to write down all the combinations and perform the calculations if I use multinomial theorem. Since this is an exam problem, I feel there exists a much better method.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
Here is a very intuitive and incomplete way of thinking about this problem.

In the expansion of $(3x^2+2x+c)^{12}$, each term will be a multinomial multiple of $(3x^2)^\alpha(2x)^\beta c^\gamma$, where $\alpha + \beta + \gamma = 12$. For a term of degree $5$, you need $2\alpha + \beta =5$, and for a term of degree $19$, you need $2\alpha + \beta =19$. For each term of degree $5$, if you decrease $\gamma$ by $7$ and increase $\alpha$ by $7$, then you will get a term of degree $19$, and every term of degree $19$ arises in this way. But replacing a $\gamma$ by an $\alpha$ involves replacing a $c$ by a $3$. It follows that $A_{19} = \Bigl(\dfrac3c\Bigr)^{\!7}A_5.$ If this is equal to $\Bigl(\dfrac12\Bigr)^{\!7}$ then clearly $c=6$.

I suspect that the "much better method" that you are looking for must somehow run along those lines. I am not at all convinced by my argument as it stands (although as anemone has shown, it leads to the right answer). It relies on the fact that the degree of the polynomial is $5+19 = 24$, so that the multinomial coefficients in $A_5$ and $A_{19}$ are the same. And the fact that $19-5 = 14$, which is twice $7$, also seems to be significant. Maybe someone can rescue this approach and make it more convincing.
 
Thanks anemone and Opalg for the helpful replies. :)

But the method presented by anemone is still very long and involves a lot of calculations. If there is really no other way, I don't think its worth spending time on this problem during the exam where you have 30 questions for each of Physics, Chemistry and Maths and all are equally difficult. (Thinking)

EDIT: Ok, I asked for the given solution (to my friend from whom I borrowed the question paper) and here it goes:

$$(ax^2+bx+c)^n=\sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_rx^r$$
Putting $x=\frac{c}{ax}$, we get
$$(ax^2+bx+c)^n=\sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_{2n-r}\left( \frac{c}{a}\right)^{n-r}x^r$$

Hence, $\frac{A_r}{A_{2n-r}}=\left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^{n-r} \forall \,\,\,0\leq r\leq 2n$.

Put $r=19$,$n=12$, $a=3$
$$\Rightarrow \left(\frac{c}{3}\right)^{-7}=2^7 \Rightarrow c=6$$

I must be an idiot but I don't get even the first step the solution did. How did they arrive at the expression after the substitution? :confused:
 
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Pranav said:
I must be an idiot but I don't get even the first step the solution did. How did they arrive at the expression after the substitution? :confused:

Hey Pranav!

I can follow the solution (but I can't tell you how to think of it :o).

The substitution is executed as:
\begin{aligned}
x^{2n-r} &= x^{n-r}x^n \\
&= \left(\frac c{ax}\right)^{n-r}x^n \\
&= \left(\frac c{a}\right)^{n-r}x^{r-n}x^n \\
&= \left(\frac c{a}\right)^{n-r}x^r \\
\end{aligned}
 
Hi ILS! Sorry for the delay in reply.

I like Serena said:
Hey Pranav!

I can follow the solution (but I can't tell you how to think of it :o).

The substitution is executed as:
\begin{aligned}
x^{2n-r} &= x^{n-r}x^n \\
&= \left(\frac c{ax}\right)^{n-r}x^n \\
&= \left(\frac c{a}\right)^{n-r}x^{r-n}x^n \\
&= \left(\frac c{a}\right)^{n-r}x^r \\
\end{aligned}

This is what I tried:

$$\left(a\frac{c^2}{a^2x^2}+\frac{bc}{ax}+c\right)^n=\sum_{r=0}^{2n}A_r\left(\frac{c}{ax}\right)^r$$

$$\Rightarrow \left(\frac{c^2+bcx+acx^2}{ax^2}\right)=\sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_r \left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^r\frac{1}{x^r}$$

$$\Rightarrow \left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^n \frac{1}{x^{2n}} \left(ax^2+bx+c\right)^n = \sum_{r=0}^{2n}A_r\left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^r\frac{1}{x^r}$$

$$\Rightarrow \left(ax^2+bx+c\right)^n=\sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_r \left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^{r-n} x^{2n-r}$$

I don't see how the solution wrote $A_{2n-r}$ instead of $A_r$. :confused:
 
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Pranav said:
This is what I tried:

$$\left(a\frac{c^2}{a^2x^2}+\frac{bc}{ax}+c\right)^n=\sum_{r=0}^{2n}A_r\left(\frac{c}{ax}\right)^r$$

$$\Rightarrow \left(\frac{c^2+bcx+acx^2}{ax^2}\right)=\sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_r \left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^r\frac{1}{x^r}$$

$$\Rightarrow \left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^n \frac{1}{x^{2n}} \left(ax^2+bx+c\right)^n = \sum_{r=0}^{2n}A_r\left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^r\frac{1}{x^r}$$

$$\Rightarrow \left(ax^2+bx+c\right)^n=\sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_r \left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^{r-n} x^{2n-r}$$

I don't see how the solution wrote $A_{2n-r}$ instead of $A_r$. :confused:
If you make the substitution $s = 2n-r$ in the sum $$\sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_r \left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^{r-n} x^{2n-r}$$, then it becomes $$\sum_{s=0}^{2n} A_{2n-s} \left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^{n-s} x^s.$$ Having done that, you can re-label the summation index as $r$ instead of $s$.
 
Pranav said:
I don't see how the solution wrote $A_{2n-r}$ instead of $A_r$. :confused:

Wait. Wait.
Let's walk through the solution step by step.

Pranav said:
$$(ax^2+bx+c)^n=\sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_rx^r$$

We can reverse the order of the summation to get:
$$\sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_rx^r = \sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_{2n-r} x^{2n-r} \qquad (1)$$

Putting $x=\frac{c}{ax}$, we get
$$(ax^2+bx+c)^n=\sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_{2n-r}\left( \frac{c}{a}\right)^{n-r}x^r$$

Forget the left hand side. We're not doing anything with that.

We apply the substitution I mentioned earlier to get:
$$\sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_{2n-r} x^{2n-r} = \sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_{2n-r} \left(\frac c a\right)^{n-r}x^r\qquad (2)$$

Combine (1) and (2) to find:
$$\sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_rx^r = \sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_{2n-r} \left(\frac c a\right)^{n-r}x^r$$

Since the powers of $x$ must match left and right, we can tell that for each $r$ we have:
$$A_r = A_{2n-r} \left(\frac c a\right)^{n-r}$$

Then we can rewrite this as:

Hence, $\frac{A_r}{A_{2n-r}}=\left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^{n-r} \forall \,\,\,0\leq r\leq 2n$.

Finally, we get:

Put $r=19$,$n=12$, $a=3$
$$\Rightarrow \left(\frac{c}{3}\right)^{-7}=2^7 \Rightarrow c=6$$
 
Opalg said:
If you make the substitution $s = 2n-r$ in the sum $$\sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_r \left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^{r-n} x^{2n-r}$$, then it becomes $$\sum_{s=0}^{2n} A_{2n-s} \left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^{n-s} x^s.$$ Having done that, you can re-label the summation index as $r$ instead of $s$.

Great! Thanks a lot Opalg! :D

It is very difficult to think of this solution during the exam.

I like Serena said:
Forget the left hand side. We're not doing anything with that.

We apply the substitution I mentioned earlier to get:
$$\sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_{2n-r} x^{2n-r} = \sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_{2n-r} \left(\frac c a\right)^{n-r}x^r\qquad (2)$$

Combine (1) and (2) to find:
$$\sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_rx^r = \sum_{r=0}^{2n} A_{2n-r} \left(\frac c a\right)^{n-r}x^r$$

Since the powers of $x$ must match left and right, we can tell that for each $r$ we have:
$$A_r = A_{2n-r} \left(\frac c a\right)^{n-r}$$

Very nicely explained, thanks a lot ILS! :)
 

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