Finding The Compression of a Spring

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a coil spring with a specified force constant, where a ball is propelled to a certain height after being released from the spring. The context includes concepts from mechanics, specifically energy conservation and the dynamics of springs.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between potential energy and kinetic energy, with one attempting to equate them to find the velocity of the ball. Questions arise regarding the implications of the spring's angle and the distinction between horizontal and vertical components of motion.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide feedback on the calculations presented, noting the need for clarity regarding the speed calculated and its relevance to the problem. There is acknowledgment of potential subtleties in interpreting the height measurement and the energy theorem, though consensus on the next steps has not been reached.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of confusion regarding the treatment of horizontal versus vertical energy components, and the problem's setup may not clearly define whether the height is measured from the compressed or relaxed position of the spring.

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Homework Statement


"A coil spring has a force constant of k = 4.0 lb/in. When the spring's axis is inclined at an angle 30 degrees from the horizontal, a W = 2.0 oz ball is propelled to a height of 6.0 ft. By how much must the spring have been compressed initially? (1 lb = 16 oz)

Homework Equations


*PE = Potential Energy
*KE = Kinetic Energy

PEi = mgh
KEf = 0.5mv^2

F = ma
F = -kl

The Attempt at a Solution



So, I set PEi = KEf

mgh = 0.5mv^2
v^2 = mgh / 0.5m
v = SQRT(2gh)
v = SQRT(2 * 32.2 ft/s^2 * 6 ft)
v = 19.7 ft/s

Now, I'm just really confused. I don't know how to go farther than this. I'm figuring that Vf = 0 ft/s (at the topmost point) but I don't know much more than that. I'm assuming that acceleration = gravitational constant, but I'm not really sure where that gets me. In the end, finding the velocity seems kind of useless. Unless you can just set F = ma = -kx, but I'm not sure whether I can actually do that, seeing how the spring is at an angle...

Someone tried to explain this to me and told me that I'm calculating this all wrong because I'm not taking into account horizontal vs. vertical PE and KE, so I'm even more utterly lost. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Your calculation of v looks ok, but you need to be clear exactly what speed this represents.
As a projectile rises, what happens to its horizontal velocity? What can you say about vertical and horizontal velocities at the highest point?

Depending on how hard the question is intended to be, there is a subtlety to be considered. It doesn't say whether the height is measured from the compressed position or the relaxed spring position. To keep it simple, assume the first option.
 
Use the energy theorem equation.

T=KE
V=PE
U=WORK

T1+V1+U=T2+V2
 
ME_student said:
Use the energy theorem equation.

T=KE
V=PE
U=WORK

T1+V1+U=T2+V2
That will certainly be needed, but Astreiks isn't quite ready to apply that yet.
 

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