Finding the equation of a bitangent line to a curve

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a bitangent line to the curve defined by the equation y=x^4-2x^3-2x^2-2x. Participants explore the mathematical relationships and conditions necessary for determining the points of tangency and the corresponding bitangent line.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant computes the slope of the curve at two points and establishes an equation relating the slopes, reaching a point of uncertainty.
  • Another participant suggests using the Quadratic Formula to express one variable in terms of another, indicating the need for a second equation to uniquely determine the points of tangency.
  • Further elaboration includes writing the equation of the tangent line in terms of one of the points and ensuring both points satisfy the slope condition and lie on the curve.
  • Visual aids are shared to illustrate the concept of the dual curve, although their relevance to the current problem is not explicitly discussed.

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Participants express various approaches to solving the problem, but no consensus is reached on the specific steps or solutions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple viewpoints and methods proposed.

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Participants note the dependence on the correct identification of points of tangency and the necessity of additional equations to solve for the variables involved. There are indications of missing assumptions or steps in the mathematical reasoning.

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The curve y=x^4-2x^3-2x^2-2x has a bitangent. I need to find the equation of this line.

First, I started off by computing the slope. Since it touches two points on the curve, their slopes should be the same.
So, I have the equation 4x^3_1-6x^2_1-4x_1-2=4x^3_2-6x^2_2-4x_2-2
I got up to the point where I have x^2_1+x_1x_2+x^2_2 = 3/2(x_1+x_2) + 1
I seem to be stuck here. Any help?
 
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Oh, guess I have no idea how to format the equation. My bad!
 
Kyrie said:
The curve y=x^4-2x^3-2x^2-2x has a bitangent. I need to find the equation of this line.

First, I started off by computing the slope. Since it touches two points on the curve, their slopes should be the same.
So, I have the equation 4x^3_1-6x^2_1-4x_1-2=4x^3_2-6x^2_2-4x_2-2
I got up to the point where I have x^2_1+x_1x_2+x^2_2 = 3/2(x_1+x_2) + 1
I seem to be stuck here. Any help?
Or ##2x_1^2 + 2x_1x_2 + 2x_2^2 - 3x_1 - 3x_2 - 2 = 0##
You could solve for, say, ##x_1## in terms of ##x_2##, using the Quadratic Formula. You'll need another equation to be able to determine ##x_1## uniquely. The points of tangency are on the graph of your original fourth-degree function, so I think you can get your second equation using that idea.
 
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Or ##2x_1^2 + 2x_1x_2 + 2x_2^2 - 3x_1 - 3x_2 - 2 = 0##
You could solve for, say, ##x_1## in terms of ##x_2##, using the Quadratic Formula. You'll need another equation to be able to determine ##x_1## uniquely. The points of tangency are on the graph of your original fourth-degree function, so I think you can get your second equation using that idea.
Alright, solving for ##x_1##, I got ##x_1=\frac{-2x_2 + 3 \pm \sqrt{4x_2^4 + 4x_2^2 + 24x_2 - 7}}{4}##
I'm not sure if I have the points of tangency. The only equation relating ##x_1## and ##x_2## are the fact that they have the same slope.
I'll attach a picture of the question if that helps. P.S. sorry for the scribbles :(
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Let's say that the left tangent point goes through ##(x_1, y_1)##, with ##x_1## slightly to the right of -1. You can write the equation of the tangent line through ##(x_1, y_1)##, with everything in terms of ##x_1##. By that, I mean ##y_1 = x_1^4 - 2x_1^3 - 2x_1^2 - 2x_1##, and the slope is ##m = 4x_1^3 - 6x_1^2 - 4x_1 - 2##.
The equation of the tangent line is ##y - y_1 = m(x - x_1)## or ##y = y_1 + m(x - x_1)##. Find the point on this line for which the y-value on the line is equal to the y-value on the curve.

The two points we're looking for have to satisfy two criteria: 1) the slope has to be the same at both (the equation you found), and 2) both points have to lie on the quartic curve. With that second equation I think you will be able to find the coordinates of the two points of tangency.
 
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