Finding the Force Applied by a Support on a Falling Chain

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The discussion focuses on calculating the force exerted by a support on a falling chain with length L and mass density σ kg/m. Participants emphasize that the support must counteract both the weight of the fallen chain and the force required to stop the falling portion. The key equation derived involves the center of mass of the chain and its acceleration, leading to the conclusion that the net external force can be expressed as m(d²y/dt²) = W + F, where W is the weight and F is the force from the support.

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A chain with length L and mass density σ kg/m is held in the position
shown in Fig. 5.28, with one end attached to a support. Assume that
only a negligible length of the chain starts out below the support. The
chain is released. Find the force that the support applies to the chain, as
a function of time.

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I am trying hard to see how the things work here. Try by conservation of energy is, to me, wrong.
I think the support's force need to stop the falling part and yet bear the weight of the fallen part.
To show my vision:
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this elementar mass at y fall actually twice y to come to rest.
It falls y in gt²2

So N = W + F = σyg + σv². But this seems wrong.
 
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An idea; in a time ##t##, the chain falls down a distance ##\frac{1}{2}gt^2##. The two loops at the bottom each have a height of ##\frac{1}{4}gt^2##.

If you can work out the centre of mass ##\bar{y}## of the whole chain in terms of ##t##, then you can set ##m\frac{d^2 \bar{y}}{dt^2}## equal to the net external force on the whole chain :wink:.
 
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@etotheipi's approach is neat.
A more elementary way is to consider time t and a further interval dt. In dt, an element mass dm (you can express dm in terms of g, t, dt, and ##\sigma##) comes to a halt from speed gt. What change of momentum does that represent?
 
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