Finding the force on an inclined plane

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to accelerate a crate up a frictionless inclined plane at a specific angle and acceleration. Participants explore the components of forces acting on the crate, including gravitational forces and the net force required for the desired acceleration.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the need to calculate the net force as the mass multiplied by the acceleration.
  • Another participant proposes that the gravitational force component along the incline can be expressed as \(m \cdot g \cdot \cos(30^\circ)\).
  • Subsequent replies challenge the use of the cosine function, suggesting that the sine function is more appropriate for the gravitational force component along the incline.
  • A participant later corrects their earlier statement, acknowledging that there is a force pushing the crate up the incline.
  • Another participant confirms the use of the sine function and provides a formula for the net force, incorporating the gravitational component.
  • Participants calculate the net force using specific values for mass and gravitational acceleration, arriving at a numerical answer of 1800 N.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants agree on the final numerical answer of 1800 N, there is disagreement regarding the appropriate trigonometric function to use for the gravitational force component along the incline, with some advocating for sine and others for cosine.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the direction of forces and the conditions of the incline, which may affect the calculations. There is also a reliance on specific values for mass and gravitational acceleration that are not universally defined in the thread.

cbarker1
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Dear Everybody,

What force (in N) must be applied to a 150.0 kg crate on a frictionless plane inclined at 30° to cause an acceleration of 7.1 m/s2 up the plane?

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I know the sum of the force in the x direction must be equal to mass multiply by acceralation.Thanks
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Let's assume the applied force is parallel to the incline plane...and so we require:

$$F_{\text{net}}-F_g=m\cdot7.1\,\frac{\text{m}}{\text{s}^2}$$

What is the magnitude of the force due to gravity ($F_f$) along the plane?
 
MarkFL said:
Let's assume the applied force is parallel to the incline plane...and so we require:

$$F_{\text{net}}-F_g=m\cdot7.1\,\frac{\text{m}}{\text{s}^2}$$

What is the magnitude of the force due to gravity ($F_f$) along the plane?

I believe it is $$m\cdot g\cdot \cos\left({30}\right)$$.
 
Cbarker1 said:
I believe it is $$m\cdot g\cdot \cos\left({30}\right)$$.

Think about the cases where the plane is either vertical or horizontal...does the cosine function makes sense?
 
MarkFL said:
Think about the cases where the plane is either vertical or horizontal...does the cosine function makes sense?

NO, it does not make any sense. so it must be sine function.
 
Cbarker1 said:
NO, it does not make any sense. so it must be sine function.

Yes, it is the sine function...here's a free-body diagram:

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What do you find for $F_{\text{net}}$?
 
MarkFL said:
Yes, it is the sine function...here's a free-body diagram:
What do you find for $F_{\text{net}}$?

Is that $$F_N=mass\cdot 7.1+m\cdot g\cdot sin 30$$ correct?

Sorry, I have misread the question that there is a force pushing it up the inclined plane.
 
Cbarker1 said:
Is that $$F_N=mass\cdot 7.1+m\cdot g\cdot sin 30$$ correct?

Sorry, I have misread the question that there is a force pushing it up the inclined plane.

That's correct, although we know:

$$\sin\left(30^{\circ}\right)=\frac{1}{2}$$

And so we may write:

$$F_{\text{net}}=m\left(7.1+\frac{g}{2}\right)\text{ N}$$

Next, use:

$$m=150.0\text{ kg},\,g=9.8\,\frac{\text{m}}{\text{s}^2}$$

So, what do you get?
 
the answer is 1800 N
 
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Cbarker1 said:
the answer is 1800 N

Yes, I concur. (Yes)
 
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I did the problem correctly.
 

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