Finding the Limit of (2x + 1)/(x + 4) at x = -4?

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The discussion centers around finding the limit of the function (2x + 1)/(x + 4) as x approaches -4 from the right side. Participants explore various methods for determining the limit, including graphical approaches and algebraic manipulation, while also addressing the implications of a vertical asymptote at x = -4.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest graphing the function to understand its behavior near the vertical asymptote at x = -4.
  • Others propose using a number line to evaluate the sign of the function in intervals around -4.
  • One participant introduces a substitution (x = -4 + d, with d > 0) to analyze the limit algebraically, leading to the expression $\frac{-8}{d} + 2$.
  • It is noted that as d approaches 0, the term $\frac{-8}{d}$ tends to negative infinity, indicating the limit approaches negative infinity.
  • Clarifications are provided regarding the meaning of d in the context of approaching -4 from the right side.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of substituting x with -4 + d to analyze the limit. However, there is no consensus on the final interpretation of the limit, as some participants focus on the algebraic manipulation while others emphasize graphical methods.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the behavior of the function near the vertical asymptote and the implications of approaching from the right side. There are also references to specific values of x to support the analysis, but the overall resolution of the limit remains open to interpretation.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about limits in calculus, particularly those grappling with the concepts of vertical asymptotes and the behavior of rational functions near critical points.

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Find the limit of (2x + 1)/(x + 4) as x tends to - 4 from the right side.

I know there's a vertical asymptote at x = -4. I think the best way to solve this problem is by graphing the function. I am not too sure about how to solve algebraically.

I am thinking about the number line.

<---------------(-4)----------------->

What if I select values to the left and right of -4 but not including -4? By doing this, I will then know if the interval (-00, -4) is positive or negative and if the interval (-4, 00) is positive or negative.

Is this correct so far?
 
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nycmathdad said:
Find the limit of (2x + 1)/(x + 4) as x tends to - 4 from the right side.

I know there's a vertical asymptote at x = -4. I think the best way to solve this problem is by graphing the function. I am not too sure about how to solve algebraically.

I am thinking about the number line.

<---------------(-4)----------------->

What if I select values to the left and right of -4 but not including -4? By doing this, I will then know if the interval (-00, -4) is positive or negative and if the interval (-4, 00) is positive or negative.

Is this correct so far?
As x approaches −4 from the $\boxed{?}$, 2x + 1 approaches $\boxed{??}$ and x + 4 approaches $\boxed{?}$ from the $\boxed{?}$.
Therefore, the ratio $\frac{2x+1}{x+4}$ becomes $\boxed{?}$ in the $\boxed{?}$ $\boxed{?}$, so
$\mathop {\lim }\limits_{x \to -4^+ } \frac{2x+1}{{x+4 }} = \boxed{??}$

Note: Number of question marks corresponds to number of letters or symbols.

To support whatever conclusion you get from filling in the boxes, make a table with the following values of x: -3.9, -3.99, -3.999
 
"Approaching from the right side" means that x is slightly larger than -4. Write x= -4+ d with d> 0. Then $\frac{2x+ 1}{x+ 4}= \frac{2(-4+ d)+ 1}{-4+ d+ 4}= \frac{-8+ 2d}{d}= \frac{-8}{d}+ 2$.

x going to -4 means d going to 0. As d goes to 0, $\frac{-8}{d}$ goes to NEGATIVE infinity. Of course, the "+ 2" is irrelevant.
 
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"Approaching from the right side" means that x is slightly larger than -4. Write x= -4+ d with d> 0. Then $\frac{2x+ 1}{x+ 4}= \frac{2(-4+ d)+ 1}{-4+ d+ 4}= \frac{-8+ 2d}{d}= \frac{-8}{d}+ 2$.

x going to -4 means d going to 0. As d goes to 0, $\frac{-8}{d}$ goes to NEGATIVE infinity. Of course, the "+ 2" is irrelevant.

What does d mean in your reply?
 
"Write x= -4+ d". d is how much larger x is than -4. For example, if x= -3.75, d= 0.25; if x= -3.9, d=0.1; if x= -3.95, d= 0.05; if x= -3.99, d= 0.01. As x goes to -4, d goes to 0.
 
Country Boy said:
"Write x= -4+ d". d is how much larger x is than -4. For example, if x= -3.75, d= 0.25; if x= -3.9, d=0.1; if x= -3.95, d= 0.05; if x= -3.99, d= 0.01. As x goes to -4, d goes to 0.

Can you please look at my Limit of Rational Function parts 1 to 5 and tell if any of that makes sense. It's important for me to fully grasp Section 1.5 before moving on to Section 1.6 which involves the fuzzy epsilon-delta definition of a limit.
 

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