Finding the magnitude difference between two star

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The discussion revolves around calculating the apparent magnitude difference between Sirius and the Sun as observed from Earth, as well as determining the luminosity of Sirius relative to the Sun. The scope includes homework-related mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding the use of flux and effective temperature in these calculations.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the formula for apparent magnitude difference, suggesting that the flux can be calculated using the effective temperatures of Sirius and the Sun.
  • Another participant argues that the Boltzmann law alone is insufficient to determine total luminosity, emphasizing the need for additional information such as the diameter of the stars.
  • A different participant questions the necessity of calculating total luminosity, asserting that the flux can be derived directly from the effective temperatures.
  • Another participant counters that calculating fluxes requires knowledge of both temperature and diameter, stating that these are essential for accurate calculations of magnitude difference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the sufficiency of temperature alone for calculating flux and luminosity, with some advocating for the inclusion of diameter in the calculations. The discussion remains unresolved as different viewpoints are presented without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of observed parameters such as absolute magnitude and flux from the Sun, indicating that assumptions about the stars' diameters may affect the calculations.

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1. Homework Statement

Determine the apparent magnitude difference between sirius and the sun,as seen from the Earth. How much more luminosity is sirius than the Sun ?

2. Homework Equations

f=sigma*T^4(eff)
m-n=2.5*log(f(m)/f(n))
3. The Attempt at a Solution

the apparent magnitude difference is m-n, m and n being the apparent magnitudes being the sun and sirius. I probably need the find the flux of each star. the flux=5.67e-8 W/(m^2*K^4)*T^4(eff). 30000 K is the effective temperature of Sirius and T(eff)=5780 K for the sun. f(sirius)/f(sun)=(30000 K)^4/(5780)^4=726 . Therefore, m(sirius)-n(sun)=2.5*log(726)=7.152
 
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The Boltzmann law formula isn't enought to give the total luminosity of a star, you also need it's diameter - a halogen spotlight is a similair temperature to sirius but doesn't have quite the same power output.
What other information are you given about Sirius? YOu will also need to know the flux from the sun or it's absolute mangnitude.

YOu can easily look these up so I'll tell you, m(sirius) = −1.47, m(sun) = −26.74
 
Why do I need to calculate the total Luminosity when I can easily calculate the flux of each star by look up the effective temperature of each star? The ratio of the two fluxes of the stars are given in the equation for apparent magnitude difference
 
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You can't work out the fluxes of the two stars just from their temperatures unless you also know that their diamters are the same.
To calculate the magnitude difference you either need to know the magnitude of each or the fluxes of each - these are observed parameters.
 

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