Finding the mass of two metals in an alloy

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The discussion focuses on calculating the mass of two metals, specifically gold (Au) and silver (Ag), in an alloy using their respective densities and volumes. The method involves determining the weight of the alloy in air and water to derive the volumes through buoyancy principles. The participants emphasize the importance of using the correct mixing formula to account for the density differences in the alloy compared to its components. A reference to density tables for Au-Ag alloys is suggested for accurate calculations.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of buoyancy principles and Archimedes' principle
  • Familiarity with density calculations for metals
  • Knowledge of mixing ratios in alloys
  • Ability to use density tables for Au-Ag alloys
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  • Research buoyancy calculations in fluid mechanics
  • Learn about density variations in metal alloys
  • Study the mixing formulas for calculating alloy compositions
  • Explore density tables for Au-Ag and other metal alloys
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Chemists, materials scientists, and engineers involved in metallurgy or alloy production will benefit from this discussion, particularly those focused on calculating the properties of metal mixtures.

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I need to solve this equation for homework however i do not know how.

The weight of an alloy made up of gold and silver is G=0,292N.If we submerge that alloy in water its weight becomes G=0.272N.Find the mass of the gold and the mass of the silver in the alloy.The density of gold is p=19300kg/m3 and the density of the silver is p=10500kg/m3.
Relevant Equations
G1=0,292N
G2=0.272N
p1=19300km/m3
p2=10500km/m3
m1=?
m2=?
I looked for solutions on the internet but all of them had given mass and looked for volume , but that isn't given here.
I tried something like subtracting the two weights or trying to find mass from the weight but i can't find the correct awnser
 
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Work it backwards. If the masses are m1 and m2, what would the weight be in air? What would their volumes be? What would it weigh in water?
 
You can calculate the volume from the buoyancy. Then probably the assumption is made that the volume of the alloy is composed of the mixing ratio of the two parts, is a simplification because the alloy will have a greater density.
Volume(alloy)=Volume(Au)+Volume(Ag).
So set up the mixing formula and convert according to one of the volumes you are looking for and calculate.
It would be easier to search in a table book for the appropriate density of an Au-Ag alloy.
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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