Finding the number of spheres in a graduated cylinder

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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of spheres that can fit in a graduated cylinder, given a minimum volume of 40 mL. Participants are exploring the implications of the close packing fraction in relation to the volume of the spheres and the total volume occupied.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants initially calculate the number of spheres based on the total volume and the volume of a single sphere. There is uncertainty about how to incorporate the close packing fraction into their calculations. Questions arise regarding the meaning of the close packing fraction and its relevance to the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations based on the close packing fraction, leading to different estimates for the number of spheres. There is an ongoing exploration of how to interpret the wasted space and its effect on the total volume used by the spheres.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion about the use of the close packing fraction and its application in their calculations. There is a lack of consensus on the correct approach, but some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the total volume and the effective volume occupied by the spheres.

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Homework Statement



This is from a worksheet. I had to find the volume myself

"A large number of spheres are poured into a graduated cylinder and gently vibrated until the occupy a minimum volume of 40 mL (or 40 cm^3). Use the information about close packing and the data you found to find the number of spheres in the cylinder. "

I found -- volume = 0.0477 cm^3
diameter = 4.5 mm
Given -- close packing fraction = .74048


Homework Equations



Wasn't given one but I used (minimum volume) / (volume of a sphere)


The Attempt at a Solution



40 cm^3 / 0.0477 cm^3 = 839 spheres



I'm not sure if I did was right. I don't know what I'm supposed to do with the information about the close packing fraction. I can't find it in my book.
 
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brotivation said:

Homework Statement



This is from a worksheet. I had to find the volume myself

"A large number of spheres are poured into a graduated cylinder and gently vibrated until the occupy a minimum volume of 40 mL (or 40 cm^3). Use the information about close packing and the data you found to find the number of spheres in the cylinder. "

I found -- volume = 0.0477 cm^3
diameter = 4.5 mm
Given -- close packing fraction = .74048

Homework Equations



Wasn't given one but I used (minimum volume) / (volume of a sphere)

The Attempt at a Solution



40 cm^3 / 0.0477 cm^3 = 839 spheres

I'm not sure if I did was right. I don't know what I'm supposed to do with the information about the close packing fraction. I can't find it in my book.

What does the close packing fraction tell you?
 
It tells me that 26% of the used volume is wasted space.
 
brotivation said:
It tells me that 26% of the used volume is wasted space.

So, isn't 26% of the 40 cm3 volume, wasted space?
 
SammyS said:
So, isn't 26% of the 40 cm3 volume, wasted space?

Okay, so this is what I did.

40 cm^3 * .74048 = 29.6 cm^3

29.6 cm^3 / .0477 cm^3 = 621 spheres

Is this right?

10.4 cm^3 of the 40 cm^3 is wasted space leaving 29.6 cm^3 being used. So I would take the used value and divided by the volume of the sphere right?
 
brotivation said:
Okay, so this is what I did.

40 cm^3 * .74048 = 29.6 cm^3

29.6 cm^3 / .0477 cm^3 = 621 spheres

Is this right?

10.4 cm^3 of the 40 cm^3 is wasted space leaving 29.6 cm^3 being used. So I would take the used value and divided by the volume of the sphere right?
That seems reasonable !
 
SammyS said:
That seems reasonable !

Thanks a lot. It hit me right when I saw you said 26% lol.
 

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