Finding the position vector for translated frame of reference

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The discussion revolves around finding the position vector in a translated frame of reference, specifically focusing on the relationship between different coordinate systems and their origins. The subject area includes concepts of relative motion and vector representation in physics.

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the position vector and question the reasoning behind the signs used in the vector components. There are inquiries about the origin of the translated coordinate system and its relation to the original system. Some participants explore the concept of relative frames of reference and seek to establish relationships between various vectors.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their thoughts and seeking clarification on the concepts involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between vectors, but no consensus has been reached on the specific formulations or interpretations.

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Participants express uncertainty about their understanding of the translation of axes and the conditions required for the validity of their reasoning, indicating a need for further exploration of these concepts.

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Please refer to the picture, I don't really have a question problem.
I was posed the question on how I would model what the position would be when the frame of reference is translated as shown on the picture.
Relevant Equations
##\vec r = 8t \hat i + 6t \hat j## for the y-x reference framse.
what would be the y'-x' ##\vec r## vector be?

I think it is
##\vec r = (8t - 1) \hat i + (6t - 2) \hat j## (not sure whether it is correct or not.)
I thought about it as at t = 0 the position needs to be -1i -2j so that is why I took the signs in the y'-x' frame position vector as a - instead of + signs for 1 and 2.

Is it ok to reason like this or do I need to derive it from somewhere else? I am not very acquianted with translation of the axes that's why I am asking.
Thanks in advance.

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What is the origin of x' y' system as measured in the x y system?
 
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drmalawi said:
What is the origin of x' y' system as measured in the x y system?
in points (1,2) = (x,y)
 
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can you find a relation for the vectors ## \vec R##, ##\vec r## and ##\vec r\:'##?
 
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drmalawi said:
What is the origin of x' y' system as measured in the x y system?
oh wait, isn't this actually the 'relative frames of references' that are used to describe relative motion?
than it becomes r_x/p = r_x'/x + r_p/x' (where the condition was that it should be an inertial frame aka cst velocity or at rest for it to be valid)
 
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drmalawi said:
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can you find a relation for the vectors ## \vec R##, ##\vec r## and ##\vec r\:'##?
yep exactly my post #5 no?
 
simphys said:
aka cst
?
 
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drmalawi said:
?
constant, apologies.
 
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simphys said:
constant, apologies.
np glhf
 
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