Finding the Ratio and Height of a Double Ball Drop Collision

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The discussion focuses on a physics problem involving two balls, m1 and M2, dropped from height h, where M2 rebounds elastically after hitting the ground. The goal is to determine the mass ratio m1/M2 that results in M2 stopping upon collision with m1 and the height h that m1 reaches after the collision. The correct mass ratio is established as 3:1, which the original poster struggles to derive due to mathematical errors in applying conservation of momentum and energy principles. Key equations include kinetic energy (KE = 0.5mv^2) and momentum (P = mv).

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Homework Statement


A ball of mass m1 is aligned above a ball of mass M2 (with slight separation), and the two are dropped simultaneously from height h. (Assume the radius of each ball is negligible compared to h.) (a) If M2 rebounds elastically from the floor and then m1 rebounds from M2, what ratio m1/M2 results in M2 stopping upon its collision with m1? (b) What height h does m1 reach?

Homework Equations


KE = .5mv^2
P = mv

The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, so I drew a diagram and used cons. of momentum and energy to find VM for both and set them equal to each other, but there's something wrong in my math because I know my ratio should be 3:1 and I'm not getting that. Here's what I did as best as I can type out on a computer:

Cons. Momentum)
Pi=Pf

(m1-M2) sqrt(ugh)=m1v+M2V, with (m1-M2) because M2 has a negative momentum after it strikes the ground

((m1-M2) sqrt(2gh) - m1v)/M2 = V

Cons. Energy)
1/2(m1+M2)(sqrt(2gh))^2 = 1/2(m1v^2) + 1/2(M2V^2)

sqrt( (2gh(m1+M2)-mv^2)/M2) = V

I think it's a math issue since when I'm setting them equal to each other my work is only getting more complex…

I don't know what I'm doing wrong because I thought my equations were okay, so if someone could explain how you get through this I would be very thankful.
 
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Hi Pud,

I have difficulty understanding why you set the equations equal to each other. Where do you use the given that M2 stops after colliding with m1 ?
 
As BvU writes, you have not used that M2 stops. But I wonder about the signs in your first equation. Which direction are you taking as positive?
 

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