Finding the Solution for a Tricky ln Equation

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation ln(x+1) = x-3, which involves logarithmic and exponential functions. Participants are exploring the complexities of finding a solution that involves both transcendental and algebraic components.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the equation into an exponential form but encounters difficulties in isolating x. Some participants suggest that an algebraic solution may not be possible and propose numerical methods instead.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants acknowledging the challenges of solving the equation algebraically. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of approximation methods, such as graphing, to find solutions.

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Participants note that the equation involves both transcendental and non-transcendental functions, which complicates finding an explicit solution. There is an emphasis on the limitations of algebraic methods in this context.

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ln (x+1) = x-3

i know ln is log base e so the equation becomes:

e^(x-3) = x + 1

and i can rearrange using algebra to get:

e^x = e^3(x+1)

but now I am stuck...how can i separate the x's to solve for it?

thanks.
 
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You can't write the solution x in terms of elementary functions like e^x and ln(x). You'll probably have to use a calculator to get an approximate numerical solution.
 
ah thanks.
 
In general, there is no "algebraic" solution for problems that involve both a transcendental function of x (such as ex) and non-transcendental function of x (such as x+1). You will have to use some approximation method (such as graphing y= ex-3 and y= x+1 and seeing where they cross).
 

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