Finding the Solution to a Differential Equation Passing Through (1,2)

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The discussion revolves around finding the solution to the differential equation given by 2xy dy/dx = y^2 - 2(x^3), specifically seeking a solution that passes through the point (1,2). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical exploration of differential equations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to solve the differential equation and expresses difficulty with the latex feature.
  • Another participant reformulates the equation and computes partial derivatives, seeking further computation on the expression involving M and N.
  • A subsequent reply proposes using a substitution method, suggesting that the equation can be reduced to a linear ordinary differential equation (ODE) by letting u = y^2.
  • There is mention of an integrating factor approach to solve the reduced ODE, with an initial condition provided.
  • Participants correct and refine earlier claims about the functions M and N, adjusting their computations accordingly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches to solving the differential equation, with no consensus on a single method or solution. Different strategies are proposed, and corrections are made to earlier computations, indicating ongoing exploration and refinement of ideas.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the correct application of methods, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the discussion. The dependence on specific substitutions and the initial condition is noted but not fully resolved.

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Hello!

How do you find the solution of this equation that passes through (1,2)?

2 xy dy/dx = y^2 - 2 (x^3)

I have a problem with using the latex feature sorry if it is hard to read :(
Thank you! :)
 
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Cadbury said:
Hello!

How do you find the solution of this equation that passes through (1,2)?

2 xy dy/dx = y^2 - 2 (x^3)

I have a problem with using the latex feature sorry if it is hard to read :(
Thank you! :)

(Wave)

$$2xydy=(y^2-2x^3)dx \Rightarrow (y^2-2x^3)dx -2xydy=0$$

$$M=y^2-2x^3$$

$$\frac{\partial{M}}{\partial{y}}=2y$$

$$N=y^2-2x^3$$

$$\frac{\partial{N}}{\partial{x}}=-6x^2$$Can you compute now $\frac{\frac{\partial{M}}{\partial{y}}-\frac{\partial{N}}{\partial{x}}}{N}$ ?
 
evinda said:
(Wave)

$$2xydy=(y^2-2x^3)dx \Rightarrow (y^2-2x^3)dx -2xydy=0$$

$$M=y^2-2x^3$$

$$\frac{\partial{M}}{\partial{y}}=2y$$

$$N=y^2-2x^3$$

$$\frac{\partial{N}}{\partial{x}}=-6x^2$$Can you compute now $\frac{\frac{\partial{M}}{\partial{y}}-\frac{\partial{N}}{\partial{x}}}{N}$ ?

Hi! Thank you for your fast response hehe.
So,
= [ 2y+6(x^2) ] / [ (y^2) - 2 (x^3)] is this the answer?
because i thought i should be using x=u+h, y=v+k, the equation will then be homogenous and then seperable
 
Cadbury said:
Hi! Thank you for your fast response hehe.
So,
= [ 2y+6(x^2) ] / [ (y^2) - 2 (x^3)] is this the answer?
because i thought i should be using x=u+h, y=v+k, the equation will then be homogenous and then seperable

I accidentally took the same $M$ and $N$, I am sorry... (Blush)

So, it is like that:$$M=y^2-2x^3$$

$$N=-2xy$$

$$\frac{\partial{M}}{\partial{y}}=2y$$

$$\frac{\partial{N}}{\partial{x}}=-2y$$

$$\frac{\frac{\partial{M}}{\partial{y}}-\frac{\partial{N}}{\partial{x}}}{N}=-\frac{2}{x}$$

$$\mu(x,y)=e^{\int -\frac{2}{x}dx}=e^{-2 \ln |x|}=\frac{1}{x^2} $$Now we multilpy our equation by $\mu$ and we get:

$$(2x-\frac{y^2}{x^2})dx+\frac{2y}{x} dy =0 $$$$M'=2x-\frac{y^2}{x^2}\\N'=\frac{2y}{x}$$

$$\frac{\partial{M'}}{\partial{y}}=-\frac{2y}{x^2}$$

$$\frac{\partial{N'}}{\partial{x}}=\frac{-2y}{x^2}$$

So now $\frac{\partial{M'}}{\partial{y}}=\frac{\partial{N'}}{\partial{x}}$.Now you solve the equations $\frac{\partial F}{\partial y}=M', \frac{\partial F}{\partial x}=N' $.
 
Cadbury said:
Hello!

How do you find the solution of this equation that passes through (1,2)?

2 xy dy/dx = y^2 - 2 (x^3)

I have a problem with using the latex feature sorry if it is hard to read :(
Thank you! :)

Hi Cadbury,

Just like in one your earlier problems, noticing that $(y^2)' = 2yy'$ you may substitute $u = y^2$ and reduce your equation to the linear ODE $xu' - u = -2x^3$. Using the initial condition $y(1) = 2$, we find $u(1) = 4$. So now you have the IVP

$$xu' - u = -2x^3,\quad u(1) = 4,$$

which you can solve with the integrating factor approach.
 

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