MHB Finding this recurrence relation for stuck-together right-angle triangles

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The discussion focuses on deriving a recurrence relation for the coordinates of right-angle triangles given initial conditions and arbitrary angles. The relationship is expressed as x_{n+1} = x_n * cos(θ_n) - y_n * sin(θ_n) and y_{n+1} = x_n * sin(θ_n) + y_n * cos(θ_n), which utilizes trigonometric identities. A participant also mentions an alternative relation involving tangent, suggesting a potential connection or difference in approach. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the geometric patterns and trigonometric foundations behind these relationships. Ultimately, the goal is to clarify and derive the correct recurrence relation based on the provided conditions and angles.
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Given the image:
http://i.stack.imgur.com/EJ3ax.jpgand that $x_0 = 1, y_0=0$ and $\text{angles} \space θ_i
, i = 1, 2, 3, · · ·$ can be arbitrarily picked.

How can I derive a recurrence relationship for $x_{n+1}$ and $x_n$?

I actually know what the relationship is, however, don't know how to derive it.

My first attempt was to try and see some geometrical pattern, so I did the following:

http://i.stack.imgur.com/4BNyq.jpg

But still couldn't find a derivation.

Although it is obvious to see that $x_0 = x_1$

so for $n = 0$

We have $x_{1} = x_{0}+0 $

any tips, hints or help very much appreciated.
 
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nacho said:
Given the image:
http://i.stack.imgur.com/EJ3ax.jpgand that $x_0 = 1, y_0=0$ and $\text{angles} \space θ_i
, i = 1, 2, 3, · · ·$ can be arbitrarily picked.

How can I derive a recurrence relationship for $x_{n+1}$ and $x_n$?

I actually know what the relationship is, however, don't know how to derive it.

My first attempt was to try and see some geometrical pattern, so I did the following:

http://i.stack.imgur.com/4BNyq.jpg

But still couldn't find a derivation.

Although it is obvious to see that $x_0 = x_1$

so for $n = 0$

We have $x_{1} = x_{0}+0 $

any tips, hints or help very much appreciated.

Setting $\displaystyle \alpha_{n}= \theta_{0} + \sum_{i =1}^{n} \theta_{n}$ is $x_{n} = \cos \alpha_{n}$ and $y_{n} = \sin \alpha_{n}$, so that, applying the 'angle sum identities', the requested recursive relation are...

$\displaystyle x_{n+1} = x_{n}\ \cos \theta_{n} - y_{n}\ \sin \theta_{n}$

$\displaystyle y_{n+1} = x_{n}\ \sin \theta_{n} + y_{n}\ \cos \theta_{n}\ (1)$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
Setting $\displaystyle \alpha_{n}= \theta_{0} + \sum_{i =1}^{n} \theta_{n}$ is $x_{n} = \cos \alpha_{n}$ and $y_{n} = \sin \alpha_{n}$, so that, applying the 'angle sum identities', the requested recursive relation are...

$\displaystyle x_{n+1} = x_{n}\ \cos \theta_{n} - y_{n}\ \sin \theta_{n}$

$\displaystyle y_{n+1} = x_{n}\ \sin \theta_{n} + y_{n}\ \cos \theta_{n}\ (1)$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

Still helpful as ever chi sigma!

Thank you my friend.

Could I just clarify which formula you used to get the recursive relationship?
can it be found on this page anywhere?:
Trigonometric Identities

I am thinking it is this one:

$\cos(α + β) = \cos(α)\cos(β) – \sin(α)\sin(β) $Although, the recurrence relationship I am given for this is that

$x_{n+1} = x_n - y_n \tan(\theta_{n+1})$

and

$y_{n+1} = y_n + x_n \tan(\theta_{n+1})$
 
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nacho said:
Still helpful as ever chi sigma!

Thank you my friend.

Could I just clarify which formula you used to get the recursive relationship?
can it be found on this page anywhere?:
Trigonometric Identities

I am thinking it is this one:

$\cos(α + β) = \cos(α)\cos(β) – \sin(α)\sin(β) $Although, the recurrence relationship I am given for this is that

$x_{n+1} = x_n - y_n \tan(\theta_{n+1})$

and

$y_{n+1} = y_n + x_n \tan(\theta_{n+1})$

If the $x_{n}$ are 'cosines' and the $y_{n}$ are 'sines' the trigonometric identities to be used are...

$\displaystyle \cos (\alpha + \beta) = \cos \alpha\ \cos \beta - \sin \alpha\ \sin \beta\ (1)$

$\displaystyle \sin (\alpha + \beta) = \cos \alpha\ \sin \beta + \sin \alpha\ \cos \beta\ (2)$

Regarding the relation You have found, I think it is in some way critical: what does it happen if fon one n is $\theta_{n} = \frac{\pi}{2}$?(Speechless)...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
If the $x_{n}$ are 'cosines' and the $y_{n}$ are 'sines' the trigonometric identities to be used are...

$\displaystyle \cos (\alpha + \beta) = \cos \alpha\ \cos \beta - \sin \alpha\ \sin \beta\ (1)$

$\displaystyle \sin (\alpha + \beta) = \cos \alpha\ \sin \beta + \sin \alpha\ \cos \beta\ (2)$

Regarding the relation You have found, I think it is in some way critical: what does it happen if fon one n is $\theta_{n} = \frac{\pi}{2}$?(Speechless)...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

$\chi$ the relation that I put was the one we are given to derive. So I guess the assumption is $\theta < \frac{\pi}{2}$, which is also consistent with the diagram given.

I.e We are told the recurrence relation is :$x_{n+1} = x_n - y_n \tan(\theta_{n+1})$

and

$y_{n+1} = y_n + x_n \tan(\theta_{n+1})$

and I need to derive it.

It seems almost similar to what you got, so I wonder where the difference comes about?
 
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