Finding Work of a Hydrogen Explosion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the work released by a hydrogen explosion, exploring methods to calculate this work through the use of a projectile launched by the explosion. Participants also consider the feasibility of igniting hydrogen in a closed container using a spark plug and the necessary conditions for ignition.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes calculating the work done by multiplying the maximum height of a projectile by its mass and gravity, suggesting this could yield the maximum potential work.
  • Another participant suggests using the heat of combustion value for hydrogen-air to determine the energy released in the explosion, mentioning the importance of stoichiometry, temperature, and pressure.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of an oxidizer for hydrogen to ignite, with one participant stating that pure hydrogen will not ignite without it.
  • One participant mentions that a spark plug can provide enough energy to ignite hydrogen in air and shares personal experience with ignition methods in gas combustion experiments.
  • A later reply indicates that height alone from the explosion is insufficient to determine the work done, implying the need for additional considerations.
  • Another participant notes that hydrogen has wide flammability limits, which could be relevant for the ignition process.
  • One participant seeks guidance on how to approach the calculation of work done by hydrogen ignition, asking for parameters and considerations to start with.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods for calculating work done by a hydrogen explosion and the conditions necessary for ignition. There is no consensus on a definitive approach or understanding of the work calculation.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the ignition conditions and the parameters needed for calculating work. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding about combustion and energy release in hydrogen explosions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in combustion science, energy calculations, and experimental physics related to hydrogen and its applications.

deuel18
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Hello, I'm curious to find how much work is released by hydrogen explosion. My method is by making a projectile launched vertically by hydrogen's explosion. Take the highest peak that the projectile launched, multiply it by the projectile's mass and gravity which should yield the maximum potential and thus the maximum work right?

If the idea above is correct, then here's my other question. Is it possible to use spark plug similar to car engine to ignite pure hydrogen in a closed container? Thanks.
 
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deuel18 said:
how much work is released by hydrogen explosion

You probably want to use a heat of combustion value hydrogen-air. This will tell you how much energy is released in the explosion, as a function of stoichiometry, temperature and pressure. Measuring the final altitude will give you some energy value which you could use to define a sort of rocket efficiency.

deuel18 said:
Is it possible to use spark plug similar to car engine to ignite pure hydrogen in a closed container?

First, pure hydrogen will not ignite. You will need some oxidizer in there. Yes, a spark plug will deliver enough energy to ignite hydrogen in air. I have used a simple buzz coil for ignition in gas combustion experiments.
 
I see, so height due to ejection of explosion is not enough to find the work done by the explosion.

Then that means I'll need few oxygen inside the chamber mixed with the hydrogen to ignite.
 
deuel18 said:
Then that means I'll need few oxygen inside the chamber mixed with the hydrogen to ignite.

Luckily for you, Hydrogen has very wide flammability limits for a oxygen-free fuel.
 
I know, works well with the idea. Concerning the method of finding the work done by hydrogen ignition, how do I go about it? Where should I start, what are my parameters, considerations, etc?
 

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