Finding y Given ln|y| - ln|y-a| = b

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation ln|y| - ln|y-a| = b for y, where participants explore various algebraic manipulations and interpretations of the logarithmic properties involved.

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  • Participants attempt to manipulate the logarithmic equation into a more solvable form, discussing the implications of each algebraic step taken. Questions arise regarding the correctness of dividing by expressions involving y and the validity of taking logarithms at certain stages.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts and questioning specific steps taken in the algebraic process. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Some participants express uncertainty about their reasoning and the steps they have taken, indicating a potential lack of clarity in the problem setup or their understanding of logarithmic properties.

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Homework Statement



If ln|y| - ln|y-a| = b find y

2. The attempt at a solution

ln\frac{y}{y-a} = b

\frac{y}{y-a} = e^b

y-e^by = -ae^b

y (-e^b) = -ae^b

-y = \frac{-ae^b}{e^b}

y = a

I know that's not right.. let me know where I went wrong
 
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snowJT said:

Homework Statement



If ln|y| - ln|y-a| = b find y

2. The attempt at a solution

ln\frac{y}{y-a} = b

\frac{y}{y-a} = e^b

y-e^by = -ae^b

y (-e^b) = -ae^b

Here's your mistake: this line should read y(1-e^b)=-ae^b
 
thanks.. so...

y-e^by = -ae^b

y = \frac{-ae^b}{y-e^b}

y^2 = \frac{-ae^b}{-e^b}

y^2 = a

y = \sqrt a
 
snowJT said:
thanks.. so...

y-e^by = -ae^b

y = \frac{-ae^b}{y-e^b}

This is wrong you divided both sides by (y-eb) but you didn't divide correctly on the left hand side, it should be 1.

1 = \frac{-ae^b}{y-e^b}
 
snowJT said:
thanks.. so...

y-e^by = -ae^b

y = \frac{-ae^b}{y-e^b}

y^2 = \frac{-ae^b}{-e^b}

y^2 = a

y = \sqrt a

snowJT what are you doing? why did you divid by y-e^b ?

continue from what cristo said then divid the right hand side by 1-e^b

then multiply top and bottom of the fraction on the right hand side by minus

and do ln of both sides and use the rules of log to get y

(if my advice is wrong or there is a simpler method some one please tell me because i actually got two answers and posted the one that might be more correct)
 
sara_87 said:
snowJT what are you doing? why did you divid by y-e^b ?

continue from what cristo said then divid the right hand side by 1-e^b


then multiply top and bottom of the fraction on the right hand side by minus
This is correct.
and do ln of both sides and use the rules of log to get y

I don't see why you'd take the log. We are seeking y, and after performing the operations listed above, we have y on the left hand side!
 
oh, i thought (to get y in a simpler form) you could expand out the ln then do e again, but that wouldn't work and i should know that! (i think I'm getting tired!)

i don't think i should give out any advice next time unless I'm awake and certain, i just feel that i owe people lots of help because i got so much help from this site lol
 
oh, lol.. no I don't know what I was thinking..
 

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