Finite difference method to solve first-order, multivariable

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The discussion revolves around the application of the finite difference method to solve a system of first-order partial differential equations related to heat and mass transfer in a one-dimensional duct. Participants explore the formulation of the problem, boundary and initial conditions, and the implications of using explicit versus implicit methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the characteristic equations for momentum conservation, mass transfer, energy conservation, and heat transfer, and expresses a need to find several unknowns using a forward-difference approximation.
  • Another participant questions the choice of an explicit method and asks for clarification on the boundary conditions and the reasoning behind the approach.
  • A participant provides the initial conditions and boundary conditions, indicating a method of reformulating the equations into a matrix form but expresses uncertainty about whether their approach is explicit or implicit.
  • There is a suggestion that the implicit method may be easier to use, although the specific assumptions and boundary conditions are not fully detailed.
  • A later reply points out that some of the unknowns are already known from boundary or initial conditions, implying that the participant may have overlooked this aspect in their calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the appropriateness of the explicit method versus the implicit method, and there is uncertainty regarding the formulation of the problem and the handling of the unknowns.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for boundary conditions and initial conditions but do not fully resolve the implications of these conditions on the formulation of the finite difference method. There is also ambiguity regarding the classification of the approach as explicit or implicit.

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Readers interested in numerical methods for solving partial differential equations, particularly in the context of heat and mass transfer problems, may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm trying to replicate the model presented in this [paper](http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1359431103000474), which is basically to model heat and mass transfer along a one-dimensional duct.

There are four characteristic equations for this problem :

Momentum conservation

$$\frac{\partial Y}{\partial t} +V\frac{\partial Y}{\partial z}+\omega_1\frac{\partial W}{\partial t}=0 $$

Mass transfer:

$$ \frac{\partial W}{\partial t} + \omega_2 (Y_w - Y) = 0 $$

Energy conservation:

$$ \frac{\partial T}{\partial t} + V\frac{\partial T}{\partial z} + \omega_3\frac{\partial T^*}{\partial t} = \omega_4 (Y-Y_w) $$and Heat Transfer

$$\frac{\partial T^*}{\partial t} + \omega_5 (T^* - T) + \omega_6 (Y_w - Y) + \omega_7 (Y_w - Y)(T-T^*) = 0$$

I'm attempting to use a forward-difference approximation method, i.e.
$$ \frac{\partial Y}{\partial z} = \frac{ Y_{i+1}^m - Y_i^m }{\Delta z}$$
and so on for the other variables, where i is the spatial index in z and m is the time index. The $\omega$s and $V$ are constants.

I have initial and boundary values for all the parameters, so that leaves me needing to find $$Y_i^{m+1}, Y_{i+1}^m, W_i^{m+1}, T_i^{m+1}, T_{i+1}^m, T_i^{*m+1} $$

I have four equations and six unknowns. The paper states that an 'implicit up-wind difference form' and Gauss-Jordan elimination is used, but I can't see how my approach differs from that. I do acknowledge that my approach is an explicit method, but I believe the issue of indeterminacy remains. Am I missing something in my approach?
 
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What are the boundary conditions for this particular problem, and why are you trying to use an explicit method? Is there a particular reason?

I don't see your explicit formulation, only a first-order approximation to the partial derivative.

Depending what information they give you, I'd think that the implicit method is the easier method to use in this case. I'm interested in what the assumptions/BCs are though.
 
Initial conditions given are T(z,0), Y(z,0), T*(z,0), W(z,0), Yw(z,0), and boundary conditions are T(0,t) and Y(0,t). My formulation is to replace the approximation into the four equations above, and separate the parameters such that they can be represented in the form Ax=b, where x are the parameters T,Y,W, etc. So I guess I'm not sure whether that approach is explicit/implicit.

I'm trying to verify that my approach is valid, since it seems to be in order with other examples I've seen of first-order pde methods.
 
idraftscience said:
I have initial and boundary values for all the parameters, so that leaves me needing to find $$Y_i^{m+1}, Y_{i+1}^m, W_i^{m+1}, T_i^{m+1}, T_{i+1}^m, T_i^{*m+1} $$

I have four equations and six unknowns.

Y_{i+1}^m and T_{i+1}^m are known: you were either given them as boundary or initial conditions, or you calculated them from the values at the previous time step.
 

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