First, second and third quantization formalisms

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical and physical meanings of first, second, and third quantization formalisms, particularly in relation to Schrödinger's equation and the Wheeler-DeWitt equation. It explores theoretical aspects and interpretations within quantum mechanics and quantum field theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about the meanings of first and second quantization formalisms and their implications.
  • Another participant notes that first and second quantization can be equivalent when using a finite or countably infinite Hilbert space with a fixed number of particles, emphasizing that second quantization simplifies dealing with fermionic or bosonic symmetries.
  • This participant also mentions that in quantum field theory (QFT), second quantization may be interpreted differently, though they find the distinctions unclear.
  • The concept of third quantization is introduced, associated with the Wheeler-DeWitt equation, but is noted as unfamiliar to at least one participant.
  • Additional posts reference advanced explanations, though the clarity of these explanations is questioned by another participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the distinctions between first and second quantization, with some agreement on their equivalence under certain conditions. However, the concept of third quantization remains less understood, indicating unresolved perspectives on its implications.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the equivalence of first and second quantization, as well as the interpretations of second quantization in different contexts. The nature of third quantization is also not fully explored, leaving its implications ambiguous.

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Hi all,

I was curious about mathematics and physical meaning behind first and second quantization formalisms of Schrödinger's equation. what do these mean?

Okey, third quantization formalism may be weird/new for many but its associated with wheeler dewitt equation.
 
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First&second quantization: There are different details associated with these names, depending on the field you are looking for.

When working with a finite or countably infinite Hilbert space as one-particle basis (on which the Fock spaces are expanded) and having a fixed number of particles[1], then first- and second quantization are entirely equivalent. The latter is then a reformulation of the former which intrinsically takes care of fermionic or bosonic symmetries (and by doing that makes dealing with determinants or permanents much easier). This is the form of second quantization you will encounter in many body physics of the condensed matter and chemical varieties, and there is really no mystery at all. However, my understanding is that in QFT, people tend to interpret more into second quantization, but I have never entirely understood how this differs from the straight-forward "normal" second quantization.

Of a third quantization I have never heard.

[1] Additonally, in second quantization you can have pure wave functions with a non-determinate number of particles, but in first quantization you cannot. How relevant this is depends on the application.
 
See here for an advanced explanation.
 
See here for an advanced explanation.

Well that was pretty easy to grab. :approve:

Uhh. well.. except for ... the ... you know that part with... everything! :frown:
 

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