Flipping the sign in the definition of derivative

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of differentiability and whether the sign of ##h## can be flipped in the limit as ##h## approaches ##a##. The participants suggest using the trick of using an empty box instead of a variable to see that there is no difference between using ##h## or ##-h## in the limit. They also mention using the ##\epsilon-\delta## method to confirm this.
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Is it true that if ##f## is differentiable at ##a## that ##f'(a) = \lim_{h\to a}\frac{f(a+h) - f(a)}{h} = \lim_{h\to a}\frac{f(a-h) - f(a)}{-h}##. That is, can the sign of ##h## be flipped. I've seen this a few times and it seems a bit dubious.
 
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you mean h --> 0. and there is no difference between these two definitions, just changing the name of the variable from h to -h. to convince yourself use the trick for teaching algebra that uses an empty box instead of a variable, i.e. limit as ( )-->0, of f( a + ( ))/( ). and any letter you put in the box means the same thing, whether you call it h or s or -h or anything else. Well to be honest this is true because h-->0 if and only if -h -->0.
 
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Differentiability means that we get the same derivative regardless whether we approach from the left or from the right.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
Is it true that if ##f## is differentiable at ##a## that ##f'(a) = \lim_{h\to a}\frac{f(a+h) - f(a)}{h} = \lim_{h\to a}\frac{f(a-h) - f(a)}{-h}##. That is, can the sign of ##h## be flipped. I've seen this a few times and it seems a bit dubious.

If in doubt, ##\epsilon-\delta## is your best friend. Why don't you just try that?
 

1. What is the definition of flipping the sign in the definition of derivative?

Flipping the sign in the definition of derivative refers to changing the positive or negative sign in front of the limit expression when calculating the derivative of a function.

2. Why is flipping the sign necessary in the definition of derivative?

Flipping the sign is necessary because it allows us to find the slope of the tangent line at a specific point on a function. Without flipping the sign, the derivative would give us the slope of the normal line instead.

3. How do you flip the sign in the definition of derivative?

To flip the sign in the definition of derivative, you simply change the positive or negative sign in front of the limit expression to its opposite. For example, if the original expression is f'(x) = limh→0 (f(x+h) - f(x))/h, the flipped expression would be f'(x) = -limh→0 (f(x+h) - f(x))/h.

4. What is the purpose of flipping the sign in the definition of derivative?

The purpose of flipping the sign is to find the slope of the tangent line at a specific point on a function. This is an important concept in calculus and allows us to analyze the behavior of functions and solve real-world problems involving rates of change.

5. Are there any exceptions to flipping the sign in the definition of derivative?

Yes, there are a few exceptions to flipping the sign in the definition of derivative. One exception is when the function is symmetric about the y-axis, in which case the derivative will be the same regardless of whether the sign is flipped or not. Another exception is when using the power rule to find the derivative, as the negative sign is already accounted for in the formula.

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