Flux out of a Cylindrical Cable

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The problem involves a coaxial transmission line with inner and outer conducting cylinders, each carrying uniform charge distributions. The task is to find the electric field in different regions defined by the radii of the cylinders and the dielectrics present.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the determination of the components of the vector d\vec{S} in cylindrical coordinates, expressing confusion about the visual representation of this concept.
  • Some participants provide links to resources that explain cylindrical coordinates and surface elements, suggesting these may help clarify the original poster's confusion.
  • There is a question raised about the need to memorize line, surface, and volume elements, with a desire for a more intuitive understanding instead.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing resources and expressing varying levels of familiarity with the concepts. There is no explicit consensus, but some guidance has been offered through external links that may assist in understanding the cylindrical coordinate system.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that understanding the derivation of the surface element is crucial, and there is an emphasis on comprehension over memorization. The original poster's confusion highlights potential gaps in foundational knowledge regarding the application of cylindrical coordinates in electromagnetism.

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Homework Statement



A coaxial transmission line has an inner conducting cylinder of radius a and an outer conducting cylinder of radius c. Charge ql per unit length is uniformly distributed over the inner conductor and -ql over the outer. If dielectric [itex]\epsilon_{1}[/itex] extends from r=a to r=b and dielectric [itex]\epsilon_{2}[/itex] from r=b r=c, find the electric field for r<a, for a<r<b, for b<r<c and for r>c. Take the conducting cylinders as infinitesimally thin.

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For r<a there is no charge enclosed thus the flux is 0 so E is also 0

Here is the solution they give for a<r<b. (see figure attached)

I am confused as to how he determines the components of the vector [itex]d\vec{S}[/itex]. Is there a picture that will explain this?

Thanks again!
 

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quietrain said:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sphc.html
scroll down to cylindrical polar coordinates

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylindrical_coordinate_system#Line and volume elements
scroll down to line and volume elements section, of surface element

that is how he got the ds which is the surface element of cylinder in cylindrical coordinates.

i can't help you on the rest, because i forgot my electromag already ::(

The wiki gives me the line, surface and volume elements but I don't want to have to memorize them.

Isn't there a more intuitive way of understanding this as opposed to memorizing it?
 
you are not suppose to memorize them, they should be given in the exams.

you are suppose to understand how to get them

take a look at these for more info

http://www.math.ubc.ca/~feldman/m227/coordsys.pdf

http://www.math.montana.edu/frankw/ccp/multiworld/multipleIVP/cylindrical/learn.htm
 
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