For M a 4-mfld., every class in H_2(M;Z) can be represented by a Surface.

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The discussion centers on the representation of classes in the second homology group H_2(M;Z) for a 4-manifold M, specifically exploring whether every class can be represented by an embedded surface. The scope includes theoretical aspects of topology and manifold theory, with references to concepts such as self-intersections, immersions, and homotopies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that if M is simply-connected, then every class in H_2(M;Z) can be represented by an embedded sphere, but questions arise regarding the case when M is not simply-connected.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that self-intersections can always be smoothed, linking this to issues with h-cobordism in 4 dimensions.
  • A suggestion is made to use Poincaré duality and line bundles to find an embedded surface representing a class, but this is contingent on the manifold having no two-torsion.
  • Concerns are raised about the ability to ensure that maps from the two-sphere to a four-dimensional manifold can be perturbed to become embeddings, with some participants asserting that such maps are generically immersions.
  • There is a discussion about whether any map from the two-sphere can be smoothly homotoped to an immersion, with some participants affirming this possibility.
  • One participant mentions that R^4 being contractible implies any homology class can be represented by an immersed sphere, leading to a question about equivalence classes of immersed manifolds under homotopies that are also immersions.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of isotopy in relation to embeddings and homology, noting that in higher dimensions, certain guarantees exist for representing homology classes by embedded surfaces.
  • There is a request for references or explanations regarding theorems related to homology classes and their representation in higher dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of self-intersections, the nature of maps from the two-sphere, and the implications of contractibility in R^4. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general case for non-simply-connected manifolds and the specifics of theorems mentioned.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on complex topics such as self-intersections, immersions, and homotopies, which may depend on specific definitions and assumptions that are not fully articulated. The implications of two-torsion and the dimensionality of the manifolds involved also introduce additional layers of complexity.

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Hi, I am trying to show that for M a 4-manifold,

and [a]_2 a class in H_2(M,Z) , there is always

a surface that represents [a]_2 , i.e., there

exists a surface S , and an embedding i of S into

M , with [ioS]_2 =[a]_2.

(Equiv.: there exists S, and an embedding i of S of M , so that a triangulation of S

induces the class [a]_2)


** What I have **

If M is simply-connected, so that Pi_1(M)=0

(Notation: Pi_1:=Fund. Grp.)

Then, by the Hurewicz Theorem (Hip, Hip Hurewicz!)

Pi_2(M) is actually Isomorphic to H_2(M;Z) , so that

every class in H_2(M;Z) can be represented as an

embedded sphere S^2 (possibly with self-intersections,

which can be smoothed away ).

**BUT** I can't think of what can be done if

M is not simply-connected.

Any Ideas.?
 
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Why can you smooth self-intersections? If I'm not wrong, this is precisely the reason why h-cobordism fails in 4 dimensions.

Here's an idea that works if your manifold has no two-torsion (also covers the simply connected case). Take a class, and take the poincare dual. Then identify the poincare dual with a line bundle whose generic section intersects the zero section in an embedded surface homologous to what you started with.
 
how do you know that the map of the 2 sphere has no critical points?
 
Maps from the two-sphere into a four-dimensional manifold are generically immersions, but not embeddings. There's no way to ensure that a given map from the two-sphere can be perturbed to be an embedding.
 
zhentil said:
Maps from the two-sphere into a four-dimensional manifold are generically immersions, but not embeddings. There's no way to ensure that a given map from the two-sphere can be perturbed to be an embedding.

I can construct ugly maps of the 2 sphere into R^4 that are not immersions. Are you saying that any such map is smoothly homotopic to an immersion?
 
lavinia said:
I can construct ugly maps of the 2 sphere into R^4 that are not immersions. Are you saying that any such map is smoothly homotopic to an immersion?
Yes.
 
zhentil said:
Yes.

How does the proof go?
 
It's standard transversality theory. I guess a good reference is Hirsch.
 
lavinia said:
I can construct ugly maps of the 2 sphere into R^4 that are not immersions. Are you saying that any such map is smoothly homotopic to an immersion?
But I guess in this case, you don't need any fancy stuff ;)

In your case, I would even go so far as to say that your ugly map is homotopic to the standard embedding of S^2 into R^4.
 
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zhentil said:
But I guess in this case, you don't need any fancy stuff ;)

In your case, I would even go so far as to say that your ugly map is homotopic to the standard embedding of S^2 into R^4.

what is a non-fancy proof?
 
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That R^4 is contractible :)
 
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zhentil said:
That R^4 is contractible :)

right. So actually any homology class can be represented by an immersed sphere.

I wonder what sort of equivalence classes of immersed manifolds you get if you require the homotopies to be immersions for each time. So immersed M is equivalent to immersed N if they can be moved into each other through a 1 parameter family of immersions.
 
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Well again, in the case of R^4, there's not too much homology to worry about.

The second question is quite interesting. You might want to look into isotopy, which is the relevant idea in the case of embeddings. I'm not sure how much work has been done in terms of using isotopies to study homology. I can tell you this: if you go up to dimension six, you can guarantee that two-homology can be represented by embedded surfaces, and two homotopic embeddings are homotopic through immersions. If you go to dimension seven or higher, it would be through embeddings.
 
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zhentil said:
Well again, in the case of R^4, there's not too much homology to worry about.

The second question is quite interesting. You might want to look into isotopy, which is the relevant idea in the case of embeddings. I'm not sure how much work has been done in terms of using isotopies to study homology. I can tell you this: if you go up to dimension six, you can guarantee that two-homology can be represented by embedded surfaces, and two homotopic embeddings are homotopic through immersions. If you go to dimension seven or higher, it would be through embeddings.

these seem like wonderful theorems. reference or can you explain them? Are you referring to 2 dimensional homology classes only?
 

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